Governance review and strong mayor powers

All right. Good evening, everyone. It's Tuesday, , June 27th 2023. . It is 6 30. I'm calling our city council meeting to order. Thank you so much for everyone for joining us. . And to start things off like to ask everyone to rise if they are able as we recognize our national anthem. .

Thank you. Thank you to our clerks for the audio work there. You turned it right up at the crescendo. So that was well, , well timed. . Alright. We're moving right along our moment of silent reflection before we continue just a moment. . Great. Thank you. As we are gathered, we are reminded that golf is situated on treaty land that is steeped in rich indigenous history and home to many First nations. Inuit Metis people Today as a city we have a responsibility for the stewardship of the land in which we live and work. And today we acknowledge the Mississauga of the credit first nation of the initial back peoples on whose traditional territory we are meeting. . Is there any disclosure, pecuniary interest or any general nature there of the items in front of us? ? Don't hear or see anything, so consider that matter closed. . We have the minutes from Committee of the whole May 2nd 2023 the planning meeting may 9th 2023 the council

orientation in education Workshop May 17th 2023 and the council meeting held May 31st 2023 being confirmed as recorded and without being read with someone Be willing to move that for me. Thank you. Councilor All seconded by Councilor Chew Anything on the minutes. Hearing and seeing none of called the vote anyone against the minutes Hearing and seeing none. I consider that unanimous and we'll move on. . We have the consent. Now we have obviously the governance one is pulled for delegations. . But let me go through the other ones just to see if anyone wants to pull that. . So I'll go through them. The water services updated operational plan endorsement The Ontario Health Multisectoral Accountability Agreement, Declaration of Compliance. . The 2022 12 future Already Progress report. And the smart Cities Update the our food, food, , future and circular opportunity launchpad. . Okay. And the municipality of Trent Lakes resolution the

oath of office. . Perfect would like to move consent for me. Cancer. Corrine, We'll move it. Counselor caller will second Consent. Anything further on that. Don't hear or see anybody. I'll call the vote and you won against the consent. . I don't see or hear anyone against all consider that matter, , closing its unanimous as well. . Okay? They missed any of their I think I did. What I mean. I missed the engagement one. Typical Components of the new community. Engagement framework. I'm so sorry. And I think our engagement staff are here, , right? ? Yeah. . Sorry. . Does anyone want to pull that? No. Okay, I'm gonna clerks I'm going to call a vote stepper on that one, because I forgot to include it. OK, cancel all thank you. Councilor costs and seconded anything further on that. . Okay, I'll call the vote on that particular one. . Anyone against Seeing and hearing none. You guys get to go home now. Yeah. Thank you for coming. Sorry about that.

. Okay, We are at the items for discussion. Now. Counselor. O'Rourke originally asked for this to be pulled anyways. . But we have several delegations. So before the delegations come up, or if they're listening online, I want to make sure that I'm setting the stage a little bit both on expectations and just to make sure everyone is very clear before we have everybody come up. . So the first thing is that our procedural bylaw Specifically states that you need to speak to the item that's on the agenda. . So if you're here to speak, especially about strong mayor powers and how it intersects With the procedure Procedural bylaw. Go for it. If you're just here to rally against the provincial government. . And that's your only statement. You want to make. . That is out of order. Okay, So I just want to be very clear about that. You can go to Mike Schreiner, unfortunately, are MPP that is our provincial representative. That you can go and speak to you about that issue if you wish, But tonight we do have the procedural bylaw. And if you want to speak about how the intersection a stronger powers intersects with that fair game, everything else I'm going to have to call out of order and I don't want to. This is the position I have as chair. I

have to uphold the procedural bylaw that we have. . So please just be respectful of that, um, upfront second thing. . Yes, um, new worship, perhaps to help set the stage. We received information from the clerk and about what we could and could not move thus motions and I think perhaps that information might be helpful for for the public to know that that's some things you know. We cannot as City Council move a motion against something that province Thank you. So I as I was saying, the second thing We're getting there. So the second thing is, maybe people missed it. . And I own I have no problem saying this out loud. I own if my clarity hasn't been very good. I own that. I have no problem, saying that out loud. . But here's the clarity that you need. Then just in case you're wanting to come up and you're prepared to say something. . Here we go. This mayor. It's getting the stronger powers on July the first The first one to have these powers. And on July the first there are three elements of the act. . Of the legislation.

That I am allowed. To either retain Or to delegate back And in all three areas. I am delegating back to exactly where they should be. . One around the hiring and firing of the CEO. The second around organizational structures and American go in and Deal with managers or directors at different levels within the within the city hall. . And the third one is around, appointing or not appointing. . Chairs of committees, vice chairs, things like that. . Those three issues are the only ones that the mayor is allowed to retain. . Or to give back On July 1st. Those first three orders are going to be to delegate back. . In other words, status quote. So be very clear on that If you've created delegations or you're about to come online to talk about how somehow there's something different there, I made it very clear. So maybe you can just be made aware of that. . Then the others the third part, which is kind of what cancer, Gahler said. For those that are here thinking that we can stop this. We can't

Let me repeat that. But those of you thinking that we can stop this. . We can't This is legislation. It amends the act to what it is. It is what it is. We cannot like it. We can like it if you want to, but we can't change it. . It is what it is so With those parameters in place. I wanted to make sure that before we have a lot of delegations come forward, , which you have every right to do. . That you have to stay within those parameters around how it intersects with the procedural bylaw. . And to make sure that you are understanding where this mayor stands and sits currently and What is and is. Applicable to us as we move forward as its legislation or not. . The final thing is, is that as it's been publicly posted Our staff have waded through this as much as they could over the last seven days. . But they've already indicated that there's going to be a September meeting about this very issue. . So if you're here today and you have created a delegation for this issue, , so be it. .

But perhaps there is the right time. In September, when this will actually be an agenda item where you can actually speak to this issue as well. I just want to give everyone the heads up that that is something that our clerks and our legal and our staff and all intergovernmental staff have all pulled together to make sure everyone is aware of. So there's the foundational sort of setting the stage of where we're at. . And that's where we're going to start with our delegations under that pretense. . And everybody has no more than five minutes. I'm not gonna interrupt anybody. You have the five minutes unless, , of course you're not on topic. . And so, please, I'll start as we start the timer as you come. . Uh and What else is it gonna say? Oh, you've heard me Say this if you if you have been here before. Many of you have heard me say this before. . Um We don't mind the word. Ditto So if someone in front of you says the exact same thing that you were thinking of and you came and you want to say ditto we're good with that. We hear you. . Okay. And with that, we'll start with our first delegation. David Douglas is joining us by phone.

. I believe David, , can you hear me? ? Hello, David. It's a cam Mayor Guthrie story. . Can you hear me? ? Hello. Hi, de. Oh, there you are. David. It's Mayor Got three. We can hear you. Good. Are you all right? ? Yes, indeed. Thank you. I have bronchitis. I'm going to ask you to give me a little slack on my timing. Trench. Davidson, D Five minutes. Alright. Well, I won't start the clock until you start. I'm going to try to make sure that unfair to everybody, though, so please make sure you try your best. Okay. Go for it. . Thank you. First time wants to State Council's attention to governance and the refined procedure of bylaw is inextricably bound up with the implementation of the provinces built three Cause strong mayors legislation operationally, they are in every way that closely bound in and not separate. . We know that any application of building community involves the

unsettling moral matters that you're well aware of. So it is a troublesome and controversial bill. I'm on record myself as publicly opposing the application of this undemocratic legislation to make community the dilemma. That council is now in And the challenges for effective governance and the procedure of bylaw all emanates from the fact that you have been sold in essence political snake oil by an overbearing province. I want to sleep as forcefully as I can, , that there was actually no factual basis. . To build three under which you are now expected to transform your governance policies and procedures, and I cannot overstate this because you're being directed to act under false pretenses Problems has never demonstrated the cause effect connections between giving mayors autocratic powers in the supply of housing. There's no evidence connection here whatsoever. . This fall sweet. Their falsity has followed. Actually, the beer face mistruth in the shortage of ready to develop residential land, which is part of the 23 and all of you have the the report of

2022 documenting this fact. We all know there are many causes to the supply shortage in housing and escalating prices ranging from banking, Canada interest rates, shortages and costs in supplies and labor, etcetera, etcetera. . Ship. I, David. Sorry. I'm going to have to have to interrupt you. It's Mayor Guthrie have stopped the time to give you that your time back. . But I do need you to make sure that you're speaking directly to how it intersects with the procedural bylaw. We're not here to talk about Bill 23 or anything else and that that has to has to take place. So I'm giving your full time. Um, I just want to make sure that you're speaking directly to the agenda item that's in front of us. So I'll turn it back over to you. You go ahead. . Okay, So the question is, I move after about the cause effect connections that underpin this bill and therefore underpin the significant changes that are going to take place to the procedural bylaw. . Deal and then clearing insult. As I see it tuned to your credit. It is your practice as City council to make decisions on the basis of presented evidence. This is how it should be done. This is how you do it, but you have

no evidence the province to substantiate their dictates. . You're being a course to make public resources allocation decisions on the basis of a third political mantra. . So we really do have a challenge before us exactly his thing. Mr Mayor now if you can somehow rather reconcile just a silica legislation and your role in its application. . Which you have to address which your conscience we should venture on, , essentially in damage control. . We will all have to find ways to minimize its corrosive effects on community, democracy and the proper functioning of our local government for starts in this matter, I would urge Council to publicly endorse the unanimous decision of council September 22 and vote to confirm your rejection of the provisions of Bill three. . You can't change it, but unprincipled reject. Then hold your noses, I would say and find ways to neutralize it in action. We commit to a collegial and the collaborative modus operandi enshrines this in the procedure of by law, and in effect, do not in your actual practice exercise, the autocratic

mayor centered provisions of this bill. . This can be done. It will require some creativity. Certainly a substantial rewriting of the procedural bylaw before you and it will require leadership in developing the new powers from the mayor devolving the new payer powers from the mayor back to council in effect if we require trust and inventive, , delegating your power But it may function as the major and wealth. About about response to this legislation and the challenges of the procedure by law, Amazing wealth, interim solution to this poisonous interference in the well being of our community. . Thank you. Thank you so much. I appreciate your delegation. Let me see if there's a follow up question for you. . And there is not so thank you very much for joining us. . Thank you. Hope you feel better by the way. Thank you. Okay. Uh, Kevin Bowman is next. Also joining us by phone, Kevin, it's Mayor Guthrie. . Can you hear me? ? Okay. .

Stars star six Kevin, If you hit Stars six that might help you on mute. . Hello. How can you? Can you hear me? Now? You're coming through. Great. Thank you very much for joining us, and I will give you your five minutes. Whenever you start, so go ahead. . Thank you very much. I will be brief. Um, the president mentioned this provincial legislation is coming into effect on July. 1st and stronger powers are unfortunately going to be in place whether counsel And the mayor want them or not, they cannot refuse. . Um, you know, this is yet another example of how municipalities have no rights under the law and are not protected from provincial abuse and meddling. . That said. I was very pleased by the Mirror September statement, defending local democracy and slamming the strong mirror powers is undemocratic. . And I'm very pleased to hear that he has pledged to delegate those powers he can back to council and the CEO to maintain, , um, , current practices. . Ah! However, the mere fact that these powers exist will change people's behavior. . And impact the institution of council.

Um, it's possible. I hope this doesn't happen. But it's possible to America change his mind in the future. Or we could have a different mayor in the future, who doesn't feel as their current mayor does. . And then we'll be playing a whole different ballgame. Um So you know, in the long term, I understand that the provincial legislation is provincial legislation, and the council cannot Go against it, Um At the moment, But these powers in the long term need to be abolished. And I strongly urge council in there to work with staff and other municipalities to make sure that the province abolishes these powers. Kevin, I'm just gonna interrupt you. Um, we have to make sure the delegates are speaking directly to how this may intersect with the procedural bylaw. . So I've stopped the time coming to that if you could, If you could make sure we get to that. . That would be great. . Thank you. . Yep, no problem. I'm just coming to that. . Um See, I encourage you to work with Steph another municipalities to ask the problems to abolish these powers. . I'm not sure exactly how to go about that. But I look forward to hearing what you have plans. You have a lot of public support. We're ready to help. . Um, So my question regarding the procedural by allies. . My understanding is that

Procedural bylaw as proposed right now, if passed. Would essentially be the rules unless the mayor at some point in the future decides to exercise any of these powers. . Um Is that corrected? Or is there some other way that the stronger powers is affecting the procedural bylaw that I'm missing? ? Somebody clarify. . So, Kevin, we can take any kind of stopped the time to be respectful to you, which I don't normally do. But I am doing that. So we don't enter. Sorry. We don't like kind of any interplay through a delegation. But if you have a question that spurs on one of our councillors or even myself to ask staff after the delegations for any clarity, we're happy to do that for you. . We just can't you know? ? Banter back and forth, but I'll continue to the clock for you and you continue, , okay? ? Okay? Yeah, that That was the conclusion of my delegation. So whenever you get a chance to address the question after other delegations, that would be great. . Thank you. . Okay. Sounds good. Thank you. And any questions just follow up. Seeing and hearing none. So thank you very much, , Kevin. . Thank you. Thank you. So, Susan Watson,

you are next. And you're here in person. And Lynn Grist. Is Lynn here? Yes. . You're in the wings, , okay? ? Susan. Thank you for joining us, and I'll start the timer whenever you're ready. Okay. Testing them. Mike that's working for everyone. Okay, great. . Guthrie and members of Council. Um, I was pleased to read your statement of yesterday and today that you will be delegating. Keep it keep hours back to the whole of counsel. Given the multiple impacts of strong mayor powers on the procedural bylaw, it's clear you will need to refer the bylaw back to staff for further resistance, derivative it Sorry revisions and that that will be happening in September. But please direct staff to have the delegation of authority the mayor has outlined embedded in the process. . The drill bylaw. Zach Taylor, a political science profit. Western says that cities also need to put transparency and reporting requirements on the use of strong Mary powers in their procedural bylaws. . Any actions taken must be communicated in writing and made public. . On counsel's direction. I think stash should discern what kind of notice should be required and what public reporting mechanisms would be appropriate and then bring those recommendations forward. .

Another detail. There's a recommendation in the suggested amendments that council delegations be cut from 10 minutes to five at statutory planning meetings. Are you allowed to overrule provincial legislation in this regard? ? I have to say it's not a great look, especially in the same meeting. You are bringing forward the community consultation framework, so please do not approve that amendment. . I think a key thing The community needs to see it. Council tonight is emotion like the one that was passed unanimously and September opposing bringing strong mount mere powers to go wealth. This is the first council meeting since the announcement of the extension of strong mayor powers on June 16th. And it just so happens that the procedural bylaw is something which is particularly impacted. . We now have five new members of council and I'm sure citizens would like to know where you stand. And I think it's also fair to say there's been some disorientation among wealthy citizens. While Mayor Guthrie was clear on his stance on strong rare powers before the election, it was confusing to see him standing beside Minister Clark for the announcement and then being quoted in the provinces press release as saying. . Citizens expect expect results and tools such as this can

help us achieve them. . Mayor Guthrie. We need something on record at council on your position, not just on Twitter as to where you stand now in the overall legislation. . I know that council can't overrule provincial legislation, but you are free for the moment. . To state your opposition to it. I have to say I'm quite disturbed by this just a tool in the toolbox framing, minimizing what is really going on? ? Stronger powers are not a tool in a tool box. They are a radioactive dirty bomb, which will contaminate and blow apart local democracy. . I do not accept that are one third vote of this council will enact housing legislation going forward and no one around this horseshoe should either Until now. Our procedural bylaw says that emotion fails on a tie. We are now entering uncharted territory where Ontario municipalities are unique among Western democracies in abandoning abandoning majority rule. . Local democracy is being dismantled. I think it's appropriate

that the anthem began this true North, strong and free. . You don't draw a line in the sand. Now you will find the list of minority driven provincial priorities expanding This incursion of provincial authoritarianism needs to be stopped dead in its tracks, and moreover, you need to look at all the means within your disposal to launch a counter offensive to reclaim lost territory. . There is one straightforward thing you can begin to consider back in February, you were encouraged to sign a housing pledge and we know the numbers in that pledge are fiction. . Stronger powers were the reward for signing that pledge. I think you should consider rescinding it. . Then, perhaps Doug Ford will rescind his gift of strong mayors powers, and at any rate, you will have sent a powerful message. . It's astounding to me that Ontario mayors colluding with Doug Ford don't see that they are the tools in Doug Ford's toolbox, enacting autocratic and undemocratic powers in their communities at his behest. . American strong mirrors are not beholden to state governors.

Counselors. You need to channel your inner lot of mirrors, Lansky and mount a counter offensive to protect local democracy. . And Mayor Guthrie. I am relieved that you have chosen not to be a tool like Patrick Brown. Thank you. . Thank you right on the dot appreciate your presentation. Is there any follow up questions? ? No, don't hear us any. Thank you very much and linguist. . You were in the wings. . So you are coming forward His Werner here, Werner in the okay. You're in the wings, okay? ? Again. I appreciate everyone so far, like trying to make sure that there's speaking focused to the intersection of that with the procedural bylaw. So I do thank you for that. Okay, Lynn. Thank you for coming and I will start the timer whenever you wish. . Thank you. . I got three councillors and fellow will president Thank you for the opportunity to speak to counsel in matters related to the procedural bylaw, and I do have to say it's about 3.5 years since I've been here. . I'm sorry.

You want me to move this? Alright? Okay. Sorry. Can you can you all hear me now? Okay. The good news is that it's 3.5 years since we've been back a councillor, I want to just thank everybody for helping us through Covid. I may not agree with you on stuff and it's not in my thing. But, boy, you did a good job for us all in golf, and I am enormously grateful. So thank you. . Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Okay, So okay. I'm gonna start again. You know, I'm going to speak about the procedural bylaw. That's what I'm here for. . Our city staff. I'm sure have been working on updating the procedural bylaw for some time and the recent announcement by the provincial government to expend to extend its bill. Three legislation to an additional 26 municipalities, including wealth, will, of course mean portions of the bylaw will need to be revisited. . Counselors and the mayor are aware that there are strong opinions related to the provincial Strong mayors Act. . And I am grateful to hear that our mayor, like so many of the mayors of these of those cities, which have been provided with those powers by the province have publicly stated that they see no need to change the collaborative and consensual way in which they

do business. So thank you. All of you. And also to all of the other mayors to it is sewing courage, Ng that so many measures and cities have indicated that they do not wish to undermanned undermine the democratic process currently In place. At the municipal level and to uphold majority decision making as a foundation of our democracy to affirm that positioning wealth now and for the future, , I would ask The mayor and council to direct staff to first of all enshrined the delegation of powers. Which the mayor, uh, wishes to seed into the procedural bylaw. . Secondly, I would have a requirement of notice and reporting of any use of strong mayor powers to counsel because there are some powers which the mayor bylaw may not Seed. But US council need to know when and if the mayor or any subsequent mayor uses them. The third thing I would suggest is that you pass a motion reaffirming wealth, City councils opposition to the strong male legislation. . In September, which you did in on September.

14th 2020 Sue. It was passed unanimously. I would add, however, that then councilor some Salsbury was not present for the vote and councillor. Gibson was also not present for that vote. . I have one further ask of the mayor and council. . Not for tonight. . But for a near future council meeting. The requirement of a majority vote is currently embedded in the procedural bylaw. It says that a motion fails on a tie vote. . I'm delighted the mayor's indicated that he is Which is to neutralize those powers by delegating authority back to council, , But sadly, , some Oh, of the slightly more toxic and UN democratic aspect. Aspects of the strong measures Act still exist, for example. Housing bylaws passing with minority vote. . In February. 2003 to 13 Sorry, 2023 City Council passed a housing pledge. I believe that all council made this pledge in good faith to ensure that the residents were not in the vernacular, holding the bag for the costs of provincially mandated revised development charges and putting the current services that they rely on on

being underfunded because of these new costs. Sorry, Lynn, I just got to bring it back to the procedural bylaw. . Okay. Sorry. I don't. It's okay. It's okay. I agree. Um, I thought this might be slightly out of order. I am looking at my councillor, , councillor, , Art. . This is about taxpayers money and increases in taxes. And I would be extremely grateful Council or if you would bring it to counsel at a more appropriate a date, especially after July the 11th when you've had your report from your staff and from consultants on DCs, That's all I have to say. And thank you very much. Thank thanks, Lynn. Appreciate you coming down and speaking and No problem. Let me see if there's a follow up question, , okay? ? Count. Apparently, your councillor. That's not a question, But thank you, Mr Guthrie. Perhaps Ms Christina and I can speak at some later date and I can understand the scope of what is your request? That would be absolutely great. I would love to do that. Thanks. Thanks, Everybody. . Order. You're up next and then we got Scott Frederick, , who will be on video. . America Right ahead. Thank you for coming. Thank

you. Thank you, Mr Mayor. Council members, , Um I'm this is going to be short and sweet, because what I wanted just expresses that actually, as with Susan, I mean, I I really don't want to be here because I wish this was not happening. And of course it is legislation. So you know, , but as oh, , Canada was playing I thought it was about, you know, it's a matter of protecting democracy. . And when we decide to Support something that says A third can carry the vote. Instead of saying the majority that everybody has an equal vote. Everybody is worth the same rather than some strong man. . Whether in Toronto. Or perhaps in this council. Has the vote above everybody else That's wrong. Um I love the city. I love this country. My Children are here. My grandchildren are here. . I worry about what would happen. . If this this continues so, yes, it is legislation, but I implore you keep up the resistance to this. . And and not let it continue. As for the procedure bylaw

Yes, the procedural bylaw. Please enshrine. All these measures that have been so eloquently put forward. . That no mayor and I appreciate what you wrote about delegating, but you didn't delegate at all. You didn't say no, It's not going to go because you can't of course. Okay, I agree, but it's a matter of them standing up, saying I reluctantly accept these things like literally saying I am against it. . He may have to do it, but it's wrong. . And so what I hope you will do in the future is speak out. Stand up against it. We will have to wait until our next vote comes with the Legislature. But, as were the procedural bylaws, , please put everything into effect that you can To protect the democracy of this chamber. Thanks. So, thank you. Thank you. Just before you go away, Just in case there's a question. . Is there anything There are no okay. Thank you. Thank you. . Thank you very much. K scrap Frederick on video. Scott, It's Mayor Guthrie, , Can you hear and Turn on your video for us. Can you hear me now?

Yes, Yes, we can hear. Are you wanting to turn on your video, or do you want to just do audio? ? Turn it on. . Very good. Um so I'm gonna talk about this short. . Big plus one to the previous speakers. And with respect to the governance review procedure bylaw. I'm going to ask that you Do whatever is needed to lock up the strong mirror power. . Nests in Ontario. We've seen mayors and councils set aside the powers otherwise done. It will soon do it, and I don't have a full count with many other municipalities have done it and others, Noda will do it. . I'm not sure how they're doing it, but they're they're finding a way. . The interior government's mandated that we have this tool, but we don't really need it. This council has shown that they can work together and get things done and approved housing. It's been said that we can keep the tool in the toolbox and only take it out of its really needed. The problem inside is that the threat of the tool may be used. It's almost as bad as using the tool itself. . Because of the chilling effect of the threat. We need to ensure that their owners checks on the use

of these powers. We need to lock the tool up so it won't be used as much as possible. So I have three tasks in support of this requirement of advanced notice and reporting of any use of these powers. Bottom air included in the procedure bylaw. . Some motion reaffirming both city councils opposition to strongly legislation. This is previously even done. So a reaffirmation to not be a big asked And finally, the mayor is offered in a tweet to delegate the small man strongly as powers to all councils and CEO. . So we have seen that we enshrined the delegation of ours the mayor seating in into the procedure of my law. . And finally, um, with respect to the seat Ricardo as it's written now, , um How are you? There's a proposed change to reduce the 10 minute time for planning delegations. I would ask that that be chapped at 10 minutes. . Ah, we can't really afford to lose any more of the democracy, zillion democracy that were already losing,

so I think that's also a pretty reasonable ask. . So that's the end of my delegation. Thank you, Scott. Thank you for joining us by video and see if there's a follow up for you. . And there isn't but thank you again for joining us. . John Fisher. I think I saw you walk in. . I did. . And s stand Kazakh here. Yep. You're in the wings, , Stan. . Alright again. Please keep it to the agenda item at hand and I will turn it over to you, John. Whenever you start, I'll start the clock. . Okay, , Go ahead. . Thank you. . Mr Mayor, Councils and city staff. Speaking about agenda item 5-12023 governance review. I've delegated many times, but they advocacy is almost always had a trails perspective. . So I'm a little out of my lane. However effective city governments impacts everything I am passionate about

And I felt the need to weigh in. It does seem a vote on 2023-20791. Knowing full well that the strong mayors act provisions will take effect July. The first is premature without additional amendments. . The mayor has stated how he intends to use the provisions of the new act. . And that collaboration and respect of all members of council. . Is key. And a hashtag team golf approach. But it's not just about this mayor. So where are the articles of the new laws? Powers of discretionary, the bylaw needs to formally reflect the delegation of power guardrails that will be used to govern the city for future administrations. . The mayor says the best thing we could do for our city is literally stop worrying about legislation. We have no control over anyways. . He may be right. But the burden of wearing the collaborative collegial had With the inferred. Threat of Dunning, The strong mayor hat will take

considerable skill to avoid creating a dysfunctional hashtag team growth. . And unforgiving citizen dream. Surely using strong mayor powers weaken and minimize the voice of every go off citizen. . So it might be best to add a notice requirements of procedural bylaw. . When strong mayor powers are contemplated as an opportunity for sober second thought. . And finally, it might be good to reaffirm councils opposition to the strong mirror legislation at the start of each session of the newly elected council. . To reflect their commitment to the democratic process. None of this is to suggest that the status quo is okay. . Well factor is a common criticism levied against the city. . And shorthand for how difficult it is to get things done and wealth. Just wondering how this applies to the procedural bylaw. John, I've stopped your time here. I just want to make sure that you continue. . That it is focused on what is allowed just to make sure make sure we're staying on topic. Okay, so I'll start the I'll start the clock again for you and you go ahead. .

Increasingly, that line is being twinned by golf is so behind in commonplace parliaments. . We all need to consider what we have done to contribute to those negative perceptions and what we need to eliminate them in the future. . I am proud and happy to live in glass. It's a great city. The community is incredibly caring and engaged. But we could be so much better. Let's make bolder, better, faster, Br new intention Thank you. Thank you, John. Appreciate your time coming and delegating as well. And he follow up questions for John. . I don't hear or see any So thank you again Appreciate it. . Stan, you're here. You're coming down. Thank you. . We've had a couple of people already removed themselves from our delegation list. . So Ah! P A. I think will be coming up next on the phone after you stand, so ah, standing for me say it a few times. So I'd appreciate you and others after you to make sure that we're staying on topic. I appreciate you being here. I'll start the clock whenever you you start. Well, thanks. Nice to come down and see you all in the flesh. Haven't done this

for a while and welcome to the new councillors. It's great to see you all and those on the screen and You know, coming down here in the as the smoke depends descends upon us. It was kind of ominous. . Um all things are connected. . So let me begin. Uh, first let me thank you for your civic leadership in these interesting and challenging times. . I'm here speaking from the context of get involved wealth and emerging local organization that views local democratic government as the best way of making decisions for the community. . Um, but there is a sense among many of us that local government has to do better to step up to the increasing the challenging Um, things that are facing us. But how are we going to do that? ? Our theory of change relates to, um, a core belief that more citizens have to get involved in local government for it to function better. . But you know, we're in a context where there is significant skepticism about government in general, and we've

got to get over that hump. . In the context of the procedural bylaw before you today I want you to consider it as part of the expectations, , traditions. . Written and unwritten practices that make up How we go about local democracy. Uh, I would call it part of the rule of law. . No. If we undermine those and we start to undermine an already diminished faith. Some citizens haven't government. . We're not going to address the Issue of how we go about bringing that change. Our democratic traditions are under attack, with measures being imposed on municipalities by what I would say is a reckless provincial government that is cloaking itself in housing rhetoric. . So you don't have to give in to that. Um And there are some asks, I have of you. My first ask is of the mayor. Mayor. Please pledge to this council and the community at large that you will not use the strong mayors powers in your tenure and support the procedure Bylaw. . Please be unequivocal about that.

You have another choice. You could be seen as the mayor who strongly supports Democratic practice. . No, I've had a little bit of a Friday and slip. Sometimes I come out and say the small mayors powers. . And I think yes, people who have to refer to those would be in diminishing the role of mayor by second Ask is to counsel Can you stand up for local democracy by declaring your opposition to the strong mayors powers, particularly as they relate to their impact on this procedural, bilott and other measures. . No as per the procedural bylaw. If we're going to amend that I have a specific ask And it might go something like this. You work on the procedure and the how things work Council directs that Should the mayor decide to use any small mayor powers. You require that counsel be notified seven days in advance of that power being exercised? ? And that way you will be informed, which I think is the first part of further action. . Um So the procedure bylaw has been greatly impacted through the

strong mayors legislation and arguably dwell thing was included in relation to this council unanimously approving the housing pledge back in February. . Now you can send a strong message of disapproval to the government by opening that up again and rescinding that pledge. . Back. In fact, it's this relates to this strictly to the things yes, Council. Downer at that time in February, said, Hey, nobody's listening. . We only have three out of 10 of the 10 tools that Dr Moffitt brought. Nobody's listening. Well, believe me, I think if you rescind this, you will be sending a message and you will be hurt. . On that basis a game. Thank you for your leadership greatly appreciated. . Thank you. . Thank you any follow up at all for Stan? I don't hear or see any. Thank you very much for coming down. . Appreciate it so much. . Yeah. PR by phone is joining us next opiates. Mayor Guthrie, Can you hear me? Okay. .

Yeah. If you press star six, it might help on mute you up. There you are. Governor. . Yep. . Can you hear me? ? You bet coming to clear. Thank you. I'll start the clock whenever you start. Okay. Go ahead. . All right. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Guthrie and members of City Council. . I am grateful that Mayor Guthrie will be delegating key powers back to the whole of council. But I'm just not willing to stop worrying about legislation. I have no control over anyways as my esteemed fellow Gulf residents Susan Watson and Lindquist and I think a few others mentioned our current procedural bylaw states that emotion fills in a tie. . What this ensures that every decision must be carried by a majority vote with a strong mayors legislation. 28, Ontario municipalities are now the only jurisdictions in any western democracy where one third voting bloc will be able to enact legislation. . This is unprecedented. . For the remainder of my delegation. I'm going to read the correspondence you received from Dr Whitley. It's worth reiterating, and I do have his permission to

presented. . And this is where it starts. The imposition of the citizens of wealth of the provisions of the Strong Mayors Building Homes Act, 2022 is a large step towards the transformation of the form of government and Ontario from responsive representative democracy to an elected dictatorship. . The purpose for the changes and the role of mayor contained and strong mirrors Building Homes Act is to transform the role of mayor from being a leader of the community charged with the responsibility to advance the welfare of the community. . To the role of unquestioning implementer of all provincial policies, , however ill conceived And misguided the next logical step for the government to take us to make the position of the mayor and appointment of the minister of municipal Affairs and Housing. I'm sorry. . Stop. . You appear. . Um, I've stopped your clock. I don't have the letter in front of me right now from Dr Whiteley. But if you do, could you skim to the parts if they're in there about the procedural bylaw and not about the legislation itself being enacted from the province? That's not why we're here today. So I need you to try your best to figure out how to speak about the procedural bylaw and that intersectional Kay, , I'll start the timer. .

For you when you start again, okay? Hmm. Okay. Just if you could give me a minute. . Um So what I will do, Mayor Guthrie is I'm going to skip to the very end just with my ask, and I will make you very happy at the very end being, um, I So my my, my ask to is to urge Council to reaffirm opposition to the strong mayors and building home tax. . Act and ask for its repeal. And what I will reiterate, though, is that I would like to Invoke the ditto on every single thing that my the previous delegates raised in their in their delegations, So I completely concur with everything that came before me. Um and I will leave it at that. . All right. Well, thank you. Ditto right back to you. So thank you very much. Let me see, though. If there is any questions or follow up for you, um and there is not so

thanks again for being with us. We appreciate it. Thank you. All right, and I'll reset my clock here. Tanya gave art is going to join us by video. . Diane Hurst. . Yes. You're in the wings, okay? Tanya. Can you hear me? Okay. Mayor Guthrie. I believe you're joining us by video, but maybe stars six to and mute, , at least or I mean through you, Mr Mayor. I think we may have just lost the delegate. If we just go down to the next person in line, we'll see if we can't get them back. You're not. . You're not in the wings anymore. . Thanks, Diane. And And just in case you can't get Tony back, John, you're in the wings next. Okay, So, um, thank you very much. Diane and I'll start the timer for you whenever you start. Okay. Great. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Guthrie councillors, staff clerks. . Gallery and journalists. I want to thank you all for being here and for all the work you're doing,

and the time you spend beyond your your supposed half occupation consumption, whether councillor is I want to speak tonight on the procedural bylaw, and it's described as a bylaw to provide rules for the governing and The order and procedures of the Council of the City of Wealth. My delegation is directly related to the matter before you. . The bylaw is the system and structure that provides for democracy. . I want to tell you how much I appreciate the architecture of this building, representing in form the way we govern the horseshoe, , the presence of staff. . The gallery. It makes a great circle of inclusion. So when you're thinking and reflecting, I want you always to know that you are sitting in the embodiment of that. And the procedural bylaw stated language. . How you how you function. . I was feeling concerned that my elected councilors voices We're at risk and might be eliminated. So I came to speak because I'm concerned the meaning of the words and terms like member majority minority could

be shifting doing to this due to the strong their powers. . The procedural bylaw Review is an opportunity to set the governing structures for wealth. . And I hope you really leap into this opportunity. So one of the asks, I have is because of the complications of the presence of a new strong mayor's power for counsel to defer and refer the governance review back to staff. . Declaring that they've had seventies to work on it. I think deferring it would be a good course of action. . I'm also asking for this council this new council to pass the motion reaffirming wealth. City councils, opposition to the small mayor powers legislation. . Number three. I'm asking to include in this procedural bylaw, the delegating of powers the mayor is making in the procedural bylaw. . Number four. I'm asking that the use of small, , mere powers have a requirement of notice. . And reporting by the mayor.

And this is in the procedural bylaws. So I want to thank you for all your time. Your consideration. I want to thank everybody for bringing their wisdom and their attention to this I want to thank the great citizen delegates because it really expands our thinking and the way we are affected by this procedures, So thank you very much. Thank you very much. Just before you go see if there's a follow up. . And there isn't but thank you again for coming. Hi, Tanya. It's Mayor Guthrie. I think we're coming back to you on video. . I believe Yeah. You look like Councilor Gibson. Hello, Uh, China. It's it's Mayor. Guthrie. Are you gonna be turning your video on? Or did you want to be? I got booted out the first time I tried, so I'm just going to leave it like this. Yeah, that's fine. I'll start the timer when you start. Okay. Go right ahead. . Good evening, Mr Mayor, Councilors, staff and fellow citizens. . I come before you to say something? Short and sweet. Ditto

Thank you. I believe there may be a prize in the future, and it will have your name on it for the shortest delegation but still making The right impact. Thank you very much channel. Let me see if there's any questions as a follow up. . No, thank you so much. Alright, John Farley. You are in the wings and you're coming up next. . I think that's honestly a record. I think I was like four seconds. . And let me see Harry Lane is Harry here and the Harry. You're in the wings after John, Okay? ? John Welcome. I will just reset the clock and you can go right ahead. Alright. My name's John Farley and I'm here representing myself as a glove citizen, , and I'm also addressing council with Considerable transferable knowledge from the affordable home ownership development sector. . Um Mhm. That's strong mirror powers have been granted to municipalities that pledged to commit to build housing number that was assigned by the province. Golf will be required to approve and have built 2000 units. . Um for years to achieve their pledge of 18,000 units

by 2031. . This is no small feat. . And considering the current challenging financial construction conditions, Um Eventual unit assignments have been applied to municipalities with Out, seemingly reference to any technical or local planning principles. . Only the political promise to achieve the 1.5 million houses built and some unfounded notion. . That producing more units in the market will create affordability. . What's critically important for everyone to recognize that not one aspect of the Ontario Bill 23 or the supposed strong mirror powers offers any legislative, financial planning tools for municipalities direct development. . Affordable homes inclusive of both homeownership and rental. I just wanna make sure you're going to get to the procedural bylaw. I'll bring it home. Okay in the last 10 seconds out here, but I'll bring it home for I trust in the last 10 seconds. So we got to stick to that focus their whole time. . Okay, , go for it. . Ah, this sort of false flag. Affordability, Um, continues to be waved at the provincial level as the sole reason to escalate residential development Now,

at no time during my tenure. . The affordable homeownership sector is has building more market units ever or will ever produce market affordable homeownership or rental? For that matter. Let's be clear. We're not talking about supportive. . Or affordable housing, with a false flag waving and under democratic legislation being imposed on our dear when this community by the municipality municipality by the province we as a community council staff and residents inclusive, have no choice but to work collaborative to achieve both our market and affordable homeownership development goals. . Just the existence of the very threat of stronger powers being invoked at council with public or was staff will eradicate any trust or transparency and ultimately destroy the respectful Democratic discourse necessary for successful collaboration. Mayor Guthrie's publicly denounced these strong euro powers on several occasions, including recently Um, as yesterday evening. Um if if he is committed to working collaborative through a power balanced democratic process, then you should be open to the following. Um, I requested the governance review, and

it's entirely be referred back to the staff inclusive of the following recommendations in trying number one and trying to delegation Of powers the mayor has committed to seating basically giving up in the procedural bylaw number two have a strict requirement of notice and reporting of any use of strong marry powers by the mayor be included in the procedural bylaw passed some motion reaffirming glove councils, opposition to the strong mayor legislation and as a future action to council within the housing pledge. . If it's so necessary, you know, explained it stronger powers or a reward for signing the housing pledge. But our democratically problematic Inter, quite frankly, unnecessary here in glove has stated several times by the mayor, then Council should move to revoke the pledge because counsel and staff have consistently proven there are more than capable access Feli. . Collapse, successful collaboration and getting things done without any need for provincial Interference. Thank you for listening. Okay. Thanks, John. And is there anything further for John? Anybody? ?

A hearing and seeing none. Thank you so much. . Front row. Harry, Come on up. Harry Lane is next. . Now, Matthew Glasses are a Matthew glass here. You're in the wings. . Matthew. . Thank you for joining us, and I'll start the clock whenever you're ready. Okay? Go right ahead. . And members of council. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you very briefly. . About the dilemma faced by this council and adapting to the provincial government's recent changes. . Too long standing principles of Democratic municipal decision making. The basis of our bylaws. I call them longstanding principles. Because they can be traced back to 18 49. 18 years after John GALT founded our city In 18 49. And Upper Canada lawyer and politician. Robert Baldwin compiled and got enacted the Municipal Corporations Act.

. The name of the act carries several implications. That decision making at the bylaw level should happen locally. . And should reflect the majority opinion of an elected municipal council. . That acts and speaks as a corporation. The so called strong mayor regulations now visited on our municipal corporation clearly have at least the potential to interfere significantly. . With the implications of Baldwin's act. Given that the provincial regulations are now enshrined in the statute of Ontario and cannot be challenged by local bylaws. . I joined several of my fellow delegates. And asking that council bring forward a motion. Stating its response to the news. Strong mayors legislation. . And subsequently refer the current procedural bylaws back to staff. . But for revision to reflect council's response.

Thank you. Thank you so much for coming and let me see if there's a follow up for you. . There is not that. Thank you again. Matthew is my focus is next. And I did see you in the front row. Thank you for coming. . You're in the wings. . Welcome, Matthew. And I will start the timer whenever you're ready. See if that helps. Mayor Guthrie members of council staff. Citizens. The Duma is not a place for discussion. Or a skits love chair of the United Russia Party and the Russian Parliament in 20, or 2003 spoken those words in support of the faithful changes Vladimir Putin was making to Russia's still embryonic democracy at the time, , 20 years on, , actually this last week. . They indicate how easy it can be for democratic institutions

to endure Inform even though eroded in substance. The Duma today continues to meet, but according to journalist Vladimir Kara matzo only as a parody of its post Soviet itself. . As members of Welsh Council continue to refine procedural bylaw. You have an opportunity and responsibility in our faithful moment to strengthen our city's democratic practices. The provisions of the bylaws are key to our ability to develop and maintain a healthy democratic political community, one of substance and not mere form or parody. . Strengthening the bylaws. Supportive dialogue, which necessarily entails strong disagreement and consideration of multiple perspectives will prevent its provisions from becoming the mirror followed out rituals of affirmation. We see in political communities that have lost the democratic integrity, , underscoring the determinative power. . Of majority decisions will also ensure that our cities policies are reasonable and genuine reflections of its residents considered wills. .

I fear, however, that these two components of the procedural bylaw cannot long survive in a political climate shaped by the Ford governments bestow of stronger Ural powers on wealth and other Ontario cities. . How will you be able to engage in the debates necessary to determine our cities, constructive approaches to 12 or two growth climate change another problems we face in the years ahead. . I fear that you all might succumb to cynicism in the face of these provincial acts. Doug Ford himself has provided a clear view of the way in which political power will operate in this new environment. Sorry, Matthew, I'm very sorry. I've stopped the clock. Can you Can you focus it on the procedural bylaw and how it intersects and what you would request of us in regards to to that have stopped the time to already didn't didn't cut into it. So I'll start the timer again. . Just so you Can try to refocus on that. Go ahead, okay? ? I'm concerned about cynicism. I'm concerned about fear amongst councillors amongst our political culture as a whole. And

I think the bullet. The procedural bylaw, uh, ought to be revised in a way that can ensure democratic political practice at the municipal level and that it doesn't simply vanish. . In the face of Doug Ford's act. I do not think it's sufficient to say that these powers will now be the law and city councils will simply have to go along with the assertions of autocratically inclined provincial figures that would make council nearly like the Duma. . Section 11 of the city of Guelph Code for Council and elected Board states. Members of council shall not compel staff to engage in partisan political activities will be subjected to threats or discrimination for refusing to engage in such activities. No member shall use or attempt to use their authority or influence. . For the purpose of intimidating threatening coursing or commanding or influencing any staff member. Wouldn't this same principle indicate that a majority of council should not be made subject to the intimidation or dangling of goodies on the part of strongly or again? I'm so sorry, but that's the code of conduct, which is not on the agenda tonight. .

The procedural bylaw is on the agenda tonight, so I just need you to refocus. I've stopped the clock will start it again. Just to the please. The agenda item that's in front of us. Okay, , Thank you. . Go ahead. . Well, I do think that The culture that Undergirds. The procedural bylaw is directly But directly in danger by the strong mayoral act. You will have only an empty shell of yourself. If you say Well, it's the law and we can't do anything about it because we're just a municipality. . You can choose not to. You don't have to say. For instance. Well, we have to act on the basis of one third. . Of the vote. In an issue, right? You don't have to say one third is what we have to Listen to you can say we will only do majority of things. You can say that whether or not the province gives you power to enact legislation on the part of one third You don't have to. I urged city staff and the council and the mayor

to take the time necessary to strengthen the procedural bylaw before ratifying it tonight. Thank you. Great. Thank you. And again, my apologies for stopping anybody. I don't like it. Let me just make sure Matthew. There's no questions for you. Just one second. . No. Okay. You're good. You're good to go. . Thank you very much. . And your next. Thank you for joining us. Ryan East here. I think I saw right, Ryan, , you're in the wings. . And welcome. I'll just reset my clock. Go right ahead. Whenever you're ready. Good evening, , your worship councillors staff. . And the good people of graph in just four more sleeps. We are in a new situation in Guelph and our procedural bylaw, which regulates city governance could possibly be moved in the event that powers afforded as sitting mayor or taken up in the future. . While the city procedural bylaw needs to comply with the new provincial legislation. . It does not mean a sitting mayor or four council

members are obligated to take up these instruments, which will cause division amongst council members and will weaken democracy and wealth. . I appreciate major gas tree, your willingness to delegate to counsel these administrative powers. . However, I am deeply concerned about one third of a council. . Overturning the votes of a majority of council on any potential issue, housing protection of historical buildings, building projects or even the capital budget. . Sort of reminds one of the days of the family compact rule in Ontario in the 18th century, which led to the Mackenzie rebellion of the 18 thirties. . Minorities should never rule the majority. And this is autocracy. The use of any veto, powering wealth would have a deliberateness effect on the city. . If people feel Who they vote for is irrelevant because the decisions of a minority of council can overturn decisions of the majority.

This could result in an even lower voter turnout than we already see which often hovers around 30 to 40%. . As others have noted, This is an outrageous attack on municipal democracy. . And I urge you Not to be tempted. By the feelings of helplessness that I can't do anything about this. . Feeling because it's it's not true. We always have a choice always in how we behave. . And while these powers are being lured and dangled in front of mayors and councilors in this province, that does not mean you have to support them. Take them up. . And use them. You can, along with the mayors of Waterloo, Hamilton's and Toronto can say no. . Counselors can decline to support the use of these powers because it will take four to bless a veto over the majority of council. I've watched many councils over the years work through their differences of opinion, come

together and make decisions for the good of the city. . Everyone here All of you Bring your wisdom, your insight and your goodwill to this chamber. . And these are gifts. You bring gifts to the city, and I would ask that you consider reaffirming the last counsel's motion in which the entire council voted. . To not support strong their powers because of the harm that it would engender. . And I would ask that you refer the work that you may need to be done on the procedural bylaw so step can look at this in light of the new provincial legislation and look deeply. . I would ask that you enshrine in this bylaw the delegation of powers, the mayor said he would see in yesterday's and tonight's public remarks. . Thank you very much for your attention in this matter, , all men. . Thank you. Um, let me see if there's a follow up for you. . There is not thank you and appreciate it. Okay, We've got just a few more Ron East. . Is coming. Thank you.

And then Emma Russell. I think, uh, research. Kiani is going to be on video next. . Welcome, Ryan. Thank you for coming. I'll start the clock Whenever you're ready again If we could keep your keep your focus on the procedural bylaw for me, I'd appreciate it. Okay. Can you tell me I'm you can hear me. All right. You're good. Yeah, Go ahead. Okay, , um So Mayor Guthrie councillors. Um, staff. And fellow citizens of wealth. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you. . For the opportunity to address you. This evening. Um, on The concerns that over 350 members of our local chapter of the Council of Canadians My colleagues here this evening. And many fellow citizens concerning the city governance procedure and the imposition of the provincially mandated strong mayors. Legislation. . I'd like to Um I diverged from my Speech for a moment. I'm very concerned been watching this evening of what's taking place. .

And in my view, every delegate who has presented this evening is addressing the procedural bylaw. . And your procedural bylaw lit that are in front of you now. . They are addressing that You need to take a look at those bylaws. They make absolutely no reference. No, uh, acknowledgment. Whatsoever. Of the provincial legislation Bill three and Bill 39. So therefore they are based on an assumption. That Um You are operating under majority rule context. That's the way these bylaws have been drafted. And if, in fact you acknowledge or accept that you are going to in any way or form or any part of The strong mayor legislation if you are intending to implement it. .

Then these bylaws have to be completely redrafted. You cannot proceed with the existing bylaws. And have this provincial legislation at the same time. They are in direct Contract contradiction to each other. So I believe now, and I would like to ask, , uh, , at this time. . That you need to make a clear acknowledgment about whether you are going to implement in any way or in any part. . The strong mayors legislation. Or you are not. Like many mayors have done. Already. Certainly the new mayor of Toronto. The mayor of Ottawa and the original context and out of the 26 mayors, many of whom have already acknowledged they will not employ this legislation. . This has got to be done. Now. It's got to be done before you consider These, uh, bylaws, these procedural bylaws, you cannot proceed. .

Unless you acknowledge that, In fact, you are still working under majority rule. . Thank you. Thank you very much. Any questions as a follow up councillor? Caller has one. Thank you and through your worship, Thank you for the presentation. So in in that line of thinking Council. If we were to approve the bile a as presented as amended by staff, would that not in fact, be a, uh, a declaration that we will continue to work with the premise of the majority rule and by approving what is being tabled today? Are we not Indicating that we do not support these provincial powers that are given. Yes, I'm totally agree with you. It's extremely important, but I think for the public and I think you've heard all of these delegates this evening and their concerns and together with many, many more That you need to be very clear, and it needs to be on the public record. . That you are not implementing this legislation. Thank you very much, Mr. Collar. Thank

you. Worship. Thank you seeing nothing further. Thank you. . And Emma Russell Troiani is on video. I believe next. . We're going to Barbara. Man. I saw you walk in. . Barbara, , come on down. .

Um, my fellow citizens in the gallery. I'm sorry I'm late. So I may be redundant a little bit because I wasn't able to hear the previous things. I was at work. But the last two people have actually said very clearly a few of my thoughts as well. I think the biggest thing here for me is that this is a legislation. . But it is a choice. It's a choice whether to enact it or not. . And I think if the legacy we want to continue in Canada and Ontario wealth is democracy, it's not something to be taken lightly. . And as Ron was just saying, these procedural bylaws are actually Done without taking that legislation into fact. So I'm here with so many other people to ask you to put into public record. . 3 to 4 different things. The first one being that you're not going to support the strong air Matt Strong mirrors act. . Empowers. Another one. Just in case there is a slip up is to actually put into the bylaws that if For any reason. Mary Guthrie, you thank you

need to invoke them that there is a lot of warning a week, two weeks a month. Whatever council thinks that needs to be Because it is tempting. Very, very tempting. Second is the fact that We made a housing pledge as a city. And it kind of feels like Then this came back to the city as an option. . But a lot of us are feeling that sort of a ruse over over housing. It's not going to deal with affordable housing. . And so Let's rescind that. Because if it is something that's tied into having this legislation, maybe if everybody pulls back on that pledge than that power will be removed as well. Um, , that notice is really, , really important and Mayor Guthrie. There's been a rumble that you have said You won't invoke these powers, and it would be great to actually have that in writing somewhere. . As well within these bylaws. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any follow up at

all? ? Seeing nothing. Thank you very much for coming down. . Through you, Mr Mayor. The remaining two delegates aren't online right now. So that brings us to the end of the delegate list to this point. Great. Thank you. Alright, coming back to us then Councilor cult. You said you'd be willing to table the motion as recommended from staff. Yes, I would. Mark Guthrie. I do have an amendment to it, but I'll table the original motion. I do have a question point of order for the speaker in a second. Well in a second, , because I need a second clerk. . Dollar will second All right back to you. Thank you. The first thing As I said, I've got an amendment. But wait until I hear from the clerk. Um, I heard many of the delegates speak very passionately about delaying, or perhaps pursuing this further, and I was wondering if we could hear from clerks what the next steps will be in light of Bill 23 and strong Mary's powers. I believe it is important for clarification for the public. . Through through you, Mr Mayor. I can start and then certainly we do have the city clerk on the line and some other staff who might like to chime in. There is a variety of different policies, updates and bylaws that the city has which will need to be updated. Based on this legislation,

staff are planning to bring those updates to the September governance Committee of the whole meeting for review, discussion and approval at City Council. . Um, many of the policies and speaking to the procedural bylaw specifically include clauses that state where they contradict provincial legislation. It is the provincial legislation, which prevails so there is no issue with non compliance and the procedural bylaw as an example over the next month or so until it is brought forward for review in September. . Thank you. Thanks. My clarification. I'm happy to put the amendment on right now. Um, Is that appropriate? Um, do you mind? I just had one more question. It looks like I have only one more question. Maybe a couple. Can I just go through the questions and then I promise I'll go back to you. Excuse me. Pardon me through you, Mr Mayor. I just want to clarify what was put on the floor. There wasn't a memo attached to the governance review from staff and I just want to. I want to clarify what is on the floor right now, if it was the revised recommendations recommended by staff Or something else. I would have thought it was including the revised with the memo because that portion is what will be referred to Sept councillor All does that. What? That was your intent when you table my intent is to to, um, revised number

one, The amended procedural bylaw. I would like to make an amendment to the amended Procedural bylaw as contained in recommendation number, 10. No, no, , no. . Stop there, My friend. Um we'll get to that What you just said. But prior to that there is all these eight recommendations. As what? Because flown forward from committee. . But then there was a memo attached publicly as well. Because of the strong mayor powers that our staff have said Hey, still still do all of this? Except we need you to hunt these other issues. Not here. We just want to make sure you're moving everything, Including what are clerks have suggested? Yes. And I'm so sorry. Was it color that seconded? ? You're okay with that? ? Still Yeah. Okay. So clerks your okay. Okay, So that's what's on the floor Still come back to you for your amendment. But councillor Downer. You had a question in O'Rourke. . Yes, it's true. You, Mr Mayor? I don't know if it would be the clerk or the CEO That would answer that, because we've got a and remember the other day about the stronger powers and a lot of it, But you've already put out there in public, Mr Mayor. But could

you tell us what you know Roughly what this procedure is. . That's going to be in the legislation because I know people are asking for, um, notice and those types of things but That seems to be that it it will be embedded into the the Let the Let it's embedded in the legislation. Some of this notice that has to be given. Can you just roughly go over? What that process is when the mayor does a veto, because I think Um I think that's important and how the council can then override the mirrors veto. . Sure as well because that there's there's timelines involved in this, right. So so you, Mr Miro, perhaps start. Of course you've seen Jordi sales come down and join the cells has taken point on all of this so that we can try and get ourselves organized and councillor Don, or I'm going to jump right to the facts. But I'll get there a little bit slowly because there is things to do here for July 1st and so the strong mayor power Is put in place for July 1st. We are going through everything that we're aware of, and we will connect at all in September so that when you will see a procedural bylaw and of course, the amended by law, that's a play. That's our suggestion on the wrist things that we have to pull

back because it does impact them, but impacts lots and I'm going to get to the video pieces. . Um and and and what we have to put in place in July. 1st is we still continue to work with some provincial staff, but we don't actually have the regulations and it's June 27th. . So we will have a website on and I want to pick up some of the comments from folks tonight as well, Um Mariel decisions will be posted in writing, and it will be posted there that because that's just good transparency, and I think everybody would agree with that. There isn't anybody arguing that so we will make that happen Now, as we move through and and very specifically, then is you just heard the mayor talk about tonight about how he would delegate the council or delegate to the CEO. Those things then show up automatically because that's a that's a decision under the This act. How it starts to operate, Um, the bylaws and veto powers and council override. So there's a There's also a couple of other factors has lots of tentacles to these things because we also have some other obligations because of development applications. . And we're on the clock and timelines. They're they're also very difficult. So we are going to try and reconcile the timelines that are being suggested by the province and a variety of

Regulations. So if you can ignore that for a second, but we can't ignore that for a second, because likely by the time staff of workers through will come to a council planning meeting that will put a couple of days in front of you, not lots because this clock has changed. And and of course, you have to return half the fees and all those other things that were not in compliance, but perhaps right to your question, and I think that's what you're looking for. . Um, And of course, if I miss anything, Miss sales will jump in here, but really have City Council passes. . Um The marriage is a decision. Vero in a bylaw and City council has 21 days to override the mirrors. Bylaw veto with a two thirds supermajority of some nine members of council seven members of City Council occurrence with section 8.1 as it is today, the procedure, while others could submit a petition to the city clerk requesting the special City Council meeting for the purpose of considering an override. And so with that you can then get into overrides. There's numbers that will have to be aware of you need and I think it's four Members of council to, you know, have five. Thank you to get it in place in the first place, , and then from that

With those five votes. But what does that do to other decisions that are you're being made not made to, but you're being allocated other timelines as well. So we haven't reconciled that tonight and we absolutely can't. There's things that we have to get in place. We know what this act is saying to us or documenting that and what you'll see at the September version. . Is us actually overly engaged Church so that we could actually be very, very clear with you. Will it? Work cannot work first. Will it work And then maybe that's where we have to come back to the province to say. . Subject to you. A proven strong mayors have taken positions. That's that's outside of our bailiwick. But we may have to then recommend that you suggest back to the province. You have to align various legislation. If you think this is something that we still need in terms of the veto powers, and I look to my sales because I was a bit rambling that that mess of description. . Okay? So that may have answered that councillor Donner. If not, we'll get a little deeper dive with missiles. Yes, I think that does so. I think you're right. I think it's four. Not five. But I saw it. I thought I saw five in the memo for something part of this

is Judy. . Can you just Verify that Yes. So it requires one third plus one vote, which the clerks tell me as five votes. Okay, so I did see that somewhere. Okay. . Okay. . So, , um So just looking through it so that that helps. There's understand the complexity that needs to go into, and these things will be then written into the bylaw for Um Procedure dialogue for September. And my understanding from the memo that was attached on the 21st is that We are. We are pulling some of these things back that which is the amendment that Part of the amendment to the to the One that we passed the motion that we passed on. The first is pulling back those things that we need to change in order to address the stronger powers, right, So we have sort of taken those back out in order to bring those back in September. That's my understanding. Okay, So we were sort of doing what the delegations have asked where we're not taking the whole proceeding, Raila, but we're pulling back the pieces that need to be Yeah. That will be impacted by stronger powers. So three Mr Mayor, That's correct. There is a bit of don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here.

There is things that we have to get enacted. That has nothing to do with this new new thing That's arrived since you actually voted on this unbelievably at committee to get to hear, so that short time period has changed things and we will. We will accommodate that and bring that back in ways that are very clear and transparent and the new procedural bylaw. But as I was saying, we do have to have things up and Operational wise. Saturday. And we've got a bit of the This is a bit of the how whether you agree with it or not. We have to have a bit of the how would we do it? Because you have committee meetings, Council meetings in July, and we're trying to sort of give us at least the road map on how you would do it. And I think you're hearing it might not be done and we'll leave that for the discussion and that side of the horseshoe, , of course. . But that just puts it in place so that we can deal with the month of July. . And then we get to September when we can bring this in front of you and have the appropriate amount of time specifically to this act and how it really embeds itself into the procedural or how we see it embedded itself into the procedure bylaw, including I think Councilor Downer. You're right. Most of the things that we heard tonight. . We've picked up on a already and we've started to

turn our minds to that. And you see that in that council member will also of June 26th. . Okay, thank you. And so the other question, I think is to mirror Guthrie's. I just want to make sure so that on July 1st We have to our wet That website is going live right with the with the stronger powers that page in our website and on July 1st my understanding is that your seating the powers in those three areas and delegating them. . To the CEO or the Council, you know? And so that happened. You're going to do that simultaneously. You're not going to wait until the September that's happening. . July 1st. . I just Through you, Mr Murdoch. Counselor Downer we will have on July 1st a Web page available post Any mayoral, uh, decisions or directives that the mayor issued Okay, so here's directive that he's delegating those Those powers will be on their July 1st Let me jump in. So Dylan is already because I already told them that's what I want to do. So Dylan's already said to me, , Uh, , 12:01 a.m.. On something from wrong on Saturday. I'll get an

email. . I told him I would be sleeping. . And then when I get up in the morning and see that email, I will be signing those orders, and by the afternoon on Saturday, there will be public. . Okay, so that's going to happen on that day that that's okay. So that doesn't need to wait until September that we don't have to worry about any of that happening in the summer. . Um And and so it's just about the part the other parts of it that will be coming back in September about the processes that if you were to use those powers, , Okay, , great and and, , um When we get to comments. I have comments as well. . Thank you. . Prompted me to have a question councillor Downer. So I am going to come. I'm going to put myself on the list. . Um, overworked Busuttil Koran. Thank you, Mary Guthrie. Um So a number of the delegates and I think the council Downer has broached this, , Um A number of the delegates for asking about the mechanisms for transparency on the use of strong mayors. . And so we're talking about a website. Some people are concerned and it it's a line with

the procedural bylaw. Some people are concerned there will be things they will see in the horseshoe in terms of committee appointments, vetoes those you know, budget amendments or vetoing budget amendments. Those things will be visible to the public. . What is the mechanism to see the other, um, potentially uses So you are delegating authority on all of the administrative stuff. Correct? So I think it bears repeating to just understand Will will that will be in trying to the procedural bylaw. . Um well, that happen in September, So I understand you're you'll sign something on Canada Day. . Um, but then in the procedural bylaw, how does that get laid out, , right? ? Um, so that people know where to go for that information That's really clear to whom that is delegated because I think what concerns some people and I've said it before. I'm not concerned about this council. At this point in our history, I'm concerned about that sort of higher order Democratic governance issues. . If future Could. You could see a mirror with strong powers hiring, firing etcetera, and that wouldn't be in this room. So then what's the mechanism for the

public to be aware of when those less public powers are used? ? So how is that going to be reflected in September and are and it's okay if you don't have the answer, , because Bill just came out. But through the mayor to councillor, I'll take a crack at this for you, Um, mayoral decisions in directions will be done in writing and they will be circulated to council. . With the exception of those that Except in cases where the Freedom of Information Act applies. They will also be simultaneously posted on this Web page that we will stand up effective July 1st and so the city of Ottawa. . Went first, I guess in this, uh in this lane, and they have a website that is available right now. And so people who are looking for something that we're going to model can look to the Ottawa Web page, which is up now or our Web page, which will be up on July 1st and we will post vary transparently everything that we can make publicly available related to Merrill decisions. . Um Or directions. Um, three, America three to miss sales. And so if there was, uh, for instance. . The use of the powers and human resources right from

the CEO to the general manager level. . Um, that would be an identifiable individual with that come to us and closed for awareness. . That's something you Mr Mayor. Um, so I'll say we're not completely clear and all the answers to probably all the questions you might have tonight. . So is miss sales indicated we will will have a new forum were all decisions, and that's what the mayor will be in the mayor will sign it and will they? City clerk will sign it, and we will post that. . And you will all see it as well as the public. So that's that great model. Thank goodness for Ottawa. They were there and they've got that done. . So you know you can. We can jump right into that, and that will help us now if the mayor under delegated and he hasn't said that, So let me he has not said that but beyond delegated, , that's a decision. . It gets posted as well. And then you will get that as well. So there isn't a decision that America can make that you won't see Now, If we got into some human resources side of life, there's a lot. There's not a lot of times. Sometimes we'll bring human resources matters to council in camera. . And then that part is exactly probably the same.

But we're not 100% sure, because you then are brought into that decision making. So if I bring something forward and we said we are, and we're not doing any of this, but we were reorganized and we've made a big change. . And we're parting ways. You might be part of that discussion with us around the individuals. We would do that in and camera. . And that would likely be have to remain in camera because of the privacy issues or the amphibious issues, so we haven't sorted all that out. So we we have to be careful here because I don't want to state too much because we haven't got all the rules laid out. That's how we see it. But when we actually get the regulations, then we'll have them to go through and challenge ourselves on as well. . So That's also the dilemma that we have. There's things for now, and then there's things ongoing throughout that so again, That's not a reflection of this council or this mayor. There's just things that we need from municipal affairs to help us here and then you'll see all that. Come September on how that should work, and you'll have thoughts and comments. No doubt at that point when we're better prepared to give you that deeper dive issue with this is now getting in compliance with lead legislation. Whether we love her or not, , your administration has to get You there and us there.

And how do we deal with the premise of transparency and I think we've got a really good crack at it comes Saturday. . And that gives us a bit of breathing space. Of course next week with some members of council I would just throw out this little reminder. We've got some training sessions set up potentially Not everybody signed up yet, and I know we're squeezing them in. But we're trying to get that to happen on Tuesday and Wednesday as well. So that we can move through some details is not to hide anything but just move some some details. And you will probably hear a lot of we're not 100% sure, but but that might give us some insight to what you're also looking for. . At those sessions so that we can incorporate those things when we come back to the committee of the council in September as well, so again, a bit rambling because that's what it is, and but I'm hoping it's somewhat helpful. . Okay, I'm a have an answer to add on to CEO. Stewart's answer in the event that we were talking about a private matter. Council is still entitled to circulation of that decision based on the statute, So yes to your answer. In short, you would receive it. . Um, , but confidentially. . Um, thank you through your Guthrie. So I understand. July 1st, those delegations of authorities will take place. .

And then in September, there'll be enshrined in the procedural bylaw. . And then to piggyback on council downers question she was. I'm just curious that the menu the memo that we received yesterday talks about the budget process as well, , which is really different. . So are we imagining a totally separate section of the procedural bylaw that talks about the budget and the vetoing of amendments, , etcetera. . I will ask Mr O'Brien. If you'd like to try men on the relationship between the amendments that you'll see that the procedural bylaw in the budget Thank you miss sales and through your Guthrie to capsule of work. . Um In fact, there's the dialogue will likely see limited change in that regard. Some of these aspects don't need to necessarily be included in the dialogue, which is part of the reason why we're recommending approval. . Um, based on the changes that we brought forward at committee of the whole that being said, where there are aspects that need to be updated in the procedural bylaw. We will certainly bring that forward and bring that back to you in in September. Currently, the budget provisions in the procedure bylaw we don't

first see any overly significant changes that need to come into play. . Rather the process by which the finance team in consultation with the executive team. Um that process will very likely need to be, you know, adjusted and amended to a certain degree in order to align with the new provisions in the act. . Uh, thank you. And through you, Mr Guthrie, Just the last one for Mr O'Brien. I think so given councillors oath of office. . Um I believe my recollection is that we pledge to uphold the laws of Ontario and Canada. Are we? Is it even possible for us to say we will not support provincial legislation. . Um, three America 32 kids work. Um, I would say that this is in legislation and and it's something that has come up. Obviously to the discussion this evening. This has potential legislation. Um, whatever is included in our is ultimate, um, , Trump interest actually. . Okay. Thank you. Bruce Still Karen and then cult Thank you and through the mayor, um

Council Iraq had my last question is around our choice, our ability to choose to do this, Which thank you. You've answered. So I have three other quick questions. Um, did I hear correctly that the delegation of powers would be confirmed in the procedural bylaws, those administrative powers would be confirmed enshrined in the procedural bylaw? ? Through the mayor to the councillor. Those the If the mayor chooses to make delegations, which we've heard he intends to do. They will be posted as mayoral directions and that will take place on Saturday. If those directions were revoked at any point that would also be posted. Um and any other mayoral decisions and directions will be posted, but they will not be enshrined in the procedural bylaw. . Thank you. So I Yeah, That was my question is less about the communication on the website. It is about the enshrining of the process and our procedural bylaw for that to happen or for that to be rescinded, which which is disconcerting. The other question that I have is just to the clerk, if possible through the mayor. Um is it possible

in our procedural bylaw to bookend or wrap around the strong mayors? I understand the authority of the strong mayors that's given in the The legislation. We haven't seen the regulations yet, but my question is more around procedurally. Can we book and wrap around? ? That there is conversations debates before that's enacted so not touching the authority but adding procedures. Sorry I didn procedures before and or after. . Through you, Mr Mayor to counsel Bruce until The procedure. Bio is a bylaw per the act that is required to be enacted by council that's intended to govern the calling of meetings and the process around meetings. . So what is included in the procedure bylaw vis a vis strong marath or itty is relatively limited. And I believe in what what? What can be included in that There's certainly some tailoring of information that we ought to do things such as the appointments of committees where all members of council set as as members on the committee. That is something that we will get an address. .

Um, but the act is clear. The mayor's authority and the decisions and directives that issued by the mayor are to be posted and are to be made in writing. And so those are posted online. They're all that to say, Counselor Busuttil. There's likely limited ability for us to book and certain things as to use the terminology you used. . What will The transparency that I believe council at the public and quite frankly, I think staff are looking for as well will be achieved through that website and those postings of the marrow decisions and directors. . Thank you that didn't that didn't quite get at my my question. It's less about the website and the posting of the decisions or the direction of the mayor. It's about procedurally. It's about fairness. Discourse. You know, governance of having those items come to a forum in our organization of our meetings where we can have thorough debate discussion and again. I understand the authority, , you know, , but that procedure To bring it to a forum for that to happen. My last question. Um and you can. You can tell me you don't have an answer to this is in the document. This is heavily,

um, connected to provincial priorities. And you know, potentially the the power and the authority of America comes From, um potentially advances or influences a provincial priority, which, for me is very subjective. Right, for example, are high. Our housing commitment is 2031. So is it a priority now in 2023, or is it a priority and 2031? It's quite subjective. And so perhaps not in our procedure bylaw, but in your conversations with the province. I'm very concerned about that kind of language, because that can be anything at the disk. . Grecian. Uh, unchallengeable of the mayor. So if if, if it's not, I understand not part of our procedural bylaw. If it can be something that is in the definitions, uh of of what exactly That is, because that can be anything. It's it's a blank check. . Yeah, and three instrumental, thankful Priorities to answer your question. Counsel abuse until are outlined in regulation. It speaks to the 1.5 million homes and the government of Ontario has has spoken to quite often. It also speaks to constructing and maintaining infrastructure to support

housing, and that can include transit roads, utility servicing. Um, I think we would acknowledge that there are There is the potential for that to be interpreted, interpreted broadly as well. And I will also differ to say, Oh, Stuart, if he's got anything like that. . Thank you very much. Gentleman's or O'Brien. So councillor boosted tell, you know you're getting that some of the things that we're going to have to try to. We certainly can't bookend and procedural bylaw cannot over. You can override this power that's been given to the mayor's The 26 additional mayors that that is just a I just want clarity on that. But we can talk to you about how governance works. How things are the tentacles hit these things, but from a clearly very specific procedural bylaw cannot Override, but we can certainly have discussions with staff and council on. Well, where do these things intersect? And what could that look like? And and what could be done? And what are the definitions? And so Mr O'Brien is right. The province put out some, I think also fairly vague definitions. You know there, you know, and we're going to try to get more clarity from them

so that we've got more clarity for you. . So then what does that mean? When the province says we now declare this a provincial, you know, they've got utility union, um, transit in there. So what does that mean for local councils? So we need a little bit more time to get to that so that we can help you with deliberation. Time as well. Certainly. Tonight, you'll be frustrated a little bit with some of her answers. We're trying our best, but we haven't got them. . What was sure shooting trying to get them off for September and so that you can see where the inner linked and where you have authority and where you do not have authority or where you have moral suasion versus absolute authority. And that might be an important piece is this discussion might continue. Should this exist? Discussion continue in September as well. . Thank you for that response, And I guess my intent was not to undermine the authority. But to really capture the culture of collaboration on council and building that collective power around the horseshoe. So thank you very much. . Thank you, Councilor. Thank you. Councilor got Koran and then cult. Thank you, Mr Mayor. Um, Timing is everything And this legislation was announced on June the 16th. I believe two weeks

less than two weeks ago. We haven't received the regs. Do we know when we're going to receive the regs? It's very, um Usually it's a couple of months and I I'm curious and bewildered how we can be. . Enacting a piece of legislation on July 1st when we have never seen the regulations Through the Merida councillor run. We don't know we anticipate seeing them. Hopefully later this week again, we know what was publicly announced. And so we expect this to look much like it looked in Ottawa. But that's not to say that there won't be some things in the regulation that don't surprise us. Perhaps, and and so you know, That's why we've sort of said Be patient with us as we wait to see them in better understand. . Thank you. I'm very patient with staff and very cognizant that you're facing the same challenges we are but to be to be beholding to a piece of legislation that I've never seen is not going to be released before The legislation actually comes into effect is not lost on me. It's mind boggling that that can even occur in a in a democratic society where you're expected to uphold the piece of legislation without being able to see the regulations that go with it. That's a comment, , not a question, , Mr Mayor. .

No question about that again is related to timing we, but as a matter of process, we have a governance review of our procedural bylaw every two years. Every three years. I believe in it's It's part of our work plan. Um, where now doing a second review within a six month period because that's outside of our normal process and outside of our normal timeline and work plan. . Do you want direction from council to do that, or you doing it anyway? Without direction for council. Is there a statement that you're looking for from us tonight where we're directing you to do something specific? ? Through the mayor to Councilor Fran Appreciate your question. Staff are working on this right now. We understand that the context in which we're all operating has changed a little and so direction is not required. Um, we are coming back to you with the most urgent items in September. If there are items that we think we need some more time to look at, we'll let you know that along the way, and when we'll bring those back to you as well, Okay. Yeah. And I did, you know and understand that the work was being done. I just didn't know if you were actually looking for something tonight to formalize that. So, thanks for clarifying that. . Um There were

Um, three municipalities in the Big City Mayor group who did not have, uh stronger powers bestowed upon them because they didn't have housing pledges and there are various reasons and I believe the mayor of new markets, said one of the reasons that they did not sign a housing pledges because they understand their inability to meet the housing pledge. They don't have the infrastructure. They don't have the funding. They just they cannot meet the pledge so they didn't sign the pledge. . Um If we get Down the road, you know, within the next year and and we, you know, we're looking at massive massive infrastructure projects like, um, Bridge at silver Gray train Bridge, a rail bridge at Silver Creek or underground, And we don't know the impact yet because I know staff are still working on what the potential financial impact of building the infrastructure to support. This housing pledge is if we get down the road and we as a community as a staff, , as a council say We simply cannot Cannot meet this obligation. Um What can we can We rescind our housing pledge Right

now we've put into our housing pledge a number of ifs. . Um, you know, we've put parameters. We put conditions we will work towards meeting the housing pledge. But this is what we need in return. It was a very, very strategic and well crafted. Thank you, DC, or Holmes, who is not here is a very, very well crafted pledge that gave us conditions. . So I'm wondering about timing to rescind that if we get down the road, and we realized we actually cannot meet that and then um, how this relates to procedural bylaw is we've made all these amendments and we may lose those powers and have to Start that procedural bylaw review all over again. But through the merit a councillor Karen, Um, our housing pledge continues to be something that we are actively advocating on. Obviously, this council put great thought into some of the things that they wanted us to continue to talk to the province about as part of our housing pledge, And I'm encouraged that on Tuesday after the long weekend. . We have a meeting with the minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing chief of staff to discuss our housing pledge in more detail in advance of our delegation that we hope to get at Imo. So we continue absolutely

have those conversations. I will turn it over to CEO Stuart to comment a bit more on on your question about withdrawing or housing pledge Thanks through the mirror. There's a couple of interesting things that will happen in July for all of us. . July. 11th. You're I think you're gonna have a while of an experience where you know, I'm also looking for DC L homes in terms of all the work that's gone into the housing workshop that you're going to be part of that evening. You will see the vast amount of work that has taken place and the vast amount of work that has to take place yet to meet some of the things that were in that housing pledge. . So there's a bunch of really good news and a bunch of what are we going to have to stop doing to accommodate some of these things? July 19th, you will get a DCs. It's just nonstop excitement. I must say so we'll have the DC bylaw update as well because there is concerns about being made whole and that that is a fair comment to ask as a municipality. . How does that work and how does it connect to the pledge were unclear if there's funding pieces are attached to a pledge. . I know the provinces working through. I haven't heard it yet. But they may be through it. The RFP for the audit process and in terms of

municipalities that might be audited as well. And what what's the funds that they haven't reserved while they have them and those sort of things and I think what that really is Building two is that there is a head of steam because of changes. . We might not be able to afford everything that is in a 10 year budget and beyond, given some of the other provincial changes, So infrastructure is an important piece for all of us, And I know you know that But maybe our focus can't be doing it everywhere for everyone, , because Um, density has changed in a lot of places, and the mayor mentioned it last night at the D G B a piece here that the province of made changes in the downtown, so that means that the capacity and the pipes have to accommodate. . Density. And maybe we can't just do it everywhere like the plan, So we're also working through the plan. What does that mean? In terms of where is the public investment? ? That gets to the private sector investment on development. That's a discussion that we're going through councillor and we haven't you know, multi year budgets coming up and that was their intention is to try to get that there as well. We may have to change some of that thinking and maybe all the all the growth areas can't be all the growth areas and as we saw them last year, so there is a bunch

of unknowns here that we see around particularly funded. . Infrastructure gets you there that because that's the funding gem for all of us, and we've got more work to do to bring that to you as well. And Miss Holmes is back. But it will be a lot in the Miss Holmes shop and then the other little piece that sometimes gets ignored in all of this. It's not quite strong mayor powers, but it's all the connections is Parkland, dedication. And what does that look like? And what are the changes there? ? And there's There's cost associated with that as well as you as we contemplate new rules, so we will try to bring you along the way all the new rules as we see them as the Intersect and September might get us a lot of it. Multi year budget will get us a lot more and honestly, we are having a patient capacity issues. So if I just changed gears on you a little bit and use it as the board of governors as a large employer in this city. . Um, you We have got close to a lot of burnout with staff in terms of the work that they're having to do, and you know, we There's a lot of pressure to get approvals through. There's a lot of pressure for a lot of those same staff to be in a material well, T but not approving things that they're if they're out of hearing, so you know, that's a bit. Um, that's not really part of it tonight, but it will be part of it because where do

we get the staff to do the work and especially if There is no break in these changes that we see common provincially. So again, That's your CEO of being a bit. Um, I'm complaining out loud, but those are real things that we see for our staff and that can't continue and you will hear you're getting a preemptive piece of what's probably coming later in the year from us. We cannot continue with the staff and we have and do it all anyway. So we've got perhaps choices to make. Perhaps we don't have choices, , and we have Other choices to make around budget so Councilor Corona. Sure that was more than you actually looking for. It is but your honesty and your candor is appreciated because I think that what's happening here is actually making that situation more difficult for you and your team. The pressure that they're already under is is even greater. When we start talking about political, the political process onto the icing on the cake on that. . Going back to our position as a council and I looked to the clerk's office and the mayor for leadership on this question. Um, we on September 14th made our position as a council very clear. So, um, I recognize we have five new councillors,

and their position is also valued and the community needs to hear it. . But because we have a motion on the books if we were to Reopen that for us similar vote. Is that a motion of reconsideration? Uh and or is it a Is it a new motion that would take place now? I'm not. I'm not actually suggesting that we do that tonight. I think we need to see what the regulations look like before we do any kind of a council statement. But is it a reconsideration just so that I'm prepared for any future action that we need to take to ensure publicly that our community Ah, that were being transparent with our community about about this council's position on We know we have to uphold it. But we can still make a public statement about what we think of that. I think we're we have freedom of speech in that regard. . Um, Perhaps I can take that response America three and through you to Councilor Karen, Um, I put a headset because hopefully it wouldn't get the echo. But I'm sensing there's that's still going on. I apologize for that. Um, Councilor Karen, we've often taken the position that when there are legislative

changes, , re considerations may not be, , um Required fully in the context as their outlined in the procedural bylaw that being said you, you, you make a great point in that we do need to take some time to again digest these changes that have come very quickly upon us, and we could do that again in alignment and bringing forward a report to the September governance committee. . Okay, That's great. I think I think it's important to wait until we see the regulations and then respond. Respond to that accordingly as a council, um and last, But not least, I do have comments after questions, Mr Myrtle Reserve those, But the only other question I had is at committee. The whole I made an amendment to section 4.10. I section I changing the wording of of one word and in the amended procedural bylaw that's attached to council's agenda. . The old wording is still there. So can we just get confirmation from the clerk that the amendment to that wording has been changed or will be changed in the final bylaw once it's published through you, Mr Murdoch, councillor Cron. That's correct. So the motion in the council memo that's been moved and seconded here does include all of the changes made at committee of the whole. We don't traditionally update those specific

documents between committee, the whole and council, but we will make those in effect for the bylaw. That's that's what I That's what I thought. So thanks for that, , and I will I'll reserve my comments for later. Thanks, Mr Mayor. . Alright. . In last I have councillor old Thank you, Mayor Guthrie. I really do want to say thank you very much to staff right across the whole corporation. And as I'm listening, I'm just thinking that there's a collective book out there. How we spent our summer vacation and I don't envy you on that. Um I also do want to appreciate. Um, um, CEO Stuart. I heard you being very candid and very frustrated. What was interesting is As much as we're talking about a procedural bylaw here, two points that you raised, I think are somewhat getting missed by us. And that is the impact on city finances through the effect on development charges and Parklands that we're going to have to wrestle with, and and I would hope that anybody that presented here tonight will be aware that the procedural bylaw is only one aspect of the challenges ahead of us. . Um, that being said, I do have some questions for you as well. Um, what I just want to clarify without the regulations. What we're

trying to do is to predict how it is that we can insulate ourselves in light of what we expect the regulations to be coming forward. . Would that be correct? Through Mayorga 32, councillor. All we have seen the act amended. . As it applies to Ottawa. And so we are speculating that it will be exactly the same and that's the basis on which we have given you the advice in the memo and the direction that you've seen to date, it could be different when the regulation is posted. . But we're essentially trying to insulate ourselves as well. At this point, trying to trying to keep us in a lane in which we are comfortable. . Yes. Okay. Um, just a questions for you. And no disrespect to Mayor Guthrie is, um, asking this. I heard you talk about the mayor. Possibly. And questions asked about the mayor enshrining what he might or he might do in the bylaw and stating no. And what I heard from that is that Mr Guthrie is essentially making personal statements of assumed and declined authority under strong mayor powers. . And so what? ? I'm I'm asking is What is the authority under which any future mayor is

bound. I think that needs to be publicly clarified as well. Because this strikes me that this is a personal determination of Mayor Guthrie's and I respect that, , but that going forward Um if CEO Stuart becomes mayor in the next election that he could say Well, I don't like what he said. I'm taking all those authorities and and the lane that we're in, You know, be darned. Is that am I correct in that understanding? ? America 32 councillor. All the powers in the act applied to the head of council. And in this case, Mary Guthrie has chosen to delegate those powers as as he is permitted to. There are some that he just assumes the next head of council can make their own independent decisions that way. And so when they come into office, I imagine they will come in with all of the powers that are in this act, and then they will choose accordingly. In other words, , For all intents and purposes. I know this is outside your realm, but we're looking at stronger powers being an election issue from here on in until such time as they rescinded by a government that realizes this was wrong headed. . Oh, I don't know. Okay. And now I have to say it because

I always do. I'm circling, but very kindly circling back to councillor or work. She has a couple extra questions. And then we'll get back to comments. Okay. Thank you. Mary Guthrie appreciate because I'm separating big time on the delegation of authority. . So, , um Group through into you, Mary Guthrie and order staff. . So if your intent is to delegate those authorities in terms of the peace with the administration Why not put it into the delegation of authority bylaw like why not codify it if we can, Because then it's not a decision that just gets posted to a website. If it's in a bylaw, it has to come back to council to a vote. And then if the head of council wants to veto it That's also clear but but why not put and I don't know if the right places the procedural bylaw or the delegation of authority bylaw? ? Why not make those three delegations? Enshrined in a bylaw. Through the mirror to the councillor will have. We will have to take this away. But my understanding of this from her friends and legal is that the

bylaws really at council's decision and direction. This statute isn't is the The more senior document of the two And so we have to default to the statute and How it is explained in the statute. I will think about that till September. Okay? Thank you. And through your Guthrie, The last question I have is, um, sort of procedural bylaw says we can't speak and contempt of any decision of the councillor committee once a vote is taken. We're all supposed to sink from the same song sheet C. I disagreed, but I respect the decision of council, , right? ? Our code of conduct for council and local boards as we direct as a body and also that you respect the decision once it is taken as a body, right? ? So, Yeah, So the question is Okay? Yep. So I'm just asking procedural bylaw. I'm just asking. . Does the procedural bylaw change veto in essence? Isn't contempt of a decision of the council. So we make a decision as a body. And we, you know, have majority

And then the veto says Why disagreed with that? And it happens in the period that follows So maybe this is a September question as well, trying to get my head around. How bad is not contempt of a decision of the body of council? ? Um, Perhaps I can answer that, Mr Guthrie and through you to counsel O'Rourke. . I think the way that the legislation contemplates this is and it is up for interpretation. Week certainly can bring back a more fulsome response in September, but I think the way the legislation contemplates. . This is The progress of veto and an override of that video. . Is really the final and indecision. But then I believe our procedure Violence speaks to in terms of not speaking. Any contempt of something a veto was still permissible because again to miss sales point. The legislation in the statute prevails over the bylaw at the end of the voting process of overrides and vetoes than that process can then, , um That process may maybe that that that sort of final line in the sand in which then that that clause of the procedure bylaw would would come into effect. .

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I look and I don't need to polish the mayor's apple. But he's in a difficult spot, too, because you're trying to work through this with you as a council as well, and that is a tough spot for all of you, and it's a tough spot for us, too. So I think we will try our best to. Well, what are the various scenarios that could play out? And I think it's easier if we all sort of leap to another mayor. . It was then that sort of deep personalizes some of it, of course or another council, and we'll try to map that all up. Not sure we'll get all of it, Of course. But what are the various scenarios? Because councilors us? You know when, when you vote as a council, that's generally the rule well. Council spoke and we speak as a voice, even though I maybe didn't agree with that issue. . Vito does change some of these things politically for folks, So I think you know, Steven's answer is the right answer because we're coming at it from a very staff viewpoint. I think there's other things to contemplate here, and that might be a better place Come Tuesday, and when's day and then it might be a better place to try to answer this since September as well Because at this stage, there's a lot of what ifs and you haven't got a mayor. . That's That's done that yet. Now we need to prepare in case a mayor does do those things and what that might look for all of you. So we're going to try our best

to manage this with you and see where you know where you might disagree with things. That's okay. But maybe that's that's helpful to get us to September. But is it really isn't a procedural bylaw piece tonight? But let us get there with you next week and then into Into the early part of the fall. Thank you and merry go through have three amendments to for the procedural bylaw and one for the delegation of authority by law. . Hmm. Yes, I'm aware, but I did go say I would just go to cancel out first, So I'll just do that. And then I'll head right back over to you. So go ahead. Casserole. Thank you very much, Mr Guthrie. Um, I did share with the council a amendment that that I think is appropriate with regards to planning matters. It would be an amendment to the amended procedural bylaw has been presented. And if I could have Clerks put that up on screen. It's actually moving. What is currently the practice from, um further in our bylaw 6.4 a. I believe to a new section 4.8. You and I've had many people that are quite willing to second this council Quran was the first person to write it to me. So, councillor chronic. You still gain? Uh, Councilor Chronos Still gaming if I may speak to it, Um I would appreciate to speak to it and

we'll move. . We'll move on. . Yeah. . Thank you. What I've proposed is that if we could keep it up on stage upon screen for just a minute, if that's possible clerks just so for the audience. What I've proposed is that the current length of speaking time for delegations to council planning meeting be sustained and there's a There's a There's a couple of reasons for that, And I think that those that I know that that feels similarly have their own reasons as well. . Um, since we initially moved this from the committee of the whole to hear what I like is that we are permitted sober second thought, um and and and that occurs at council and I was thinking about this further and I think that I have to draw a distinction between council meetings and planning meetings, whereas in council meetings we have many issues in front of us that are often not of a technical nature, sometimes speaking time for somebody presenting in front of us. . Five minutes is adequate, however, for planning because we're dealing with technical subject and issues and language that the lay people are not necessarily familiar with. Sometimes it's very difficult for people to get their points out, and similarly it's also very expensive for them to

take them beyond the planning meeting, and I dare I say that professionalism Ah, um and aptitude working in the planning field does create a somewhat unequal field for residents. And so I'm trying in some senses to restore a certain amount of equity by saying Give people 10 minutes to speak on planning issues because this matters in their neighborhoods it matters to their homes. It matters to their community and that the language technical background is often complicated. People can't afford lawyers. They're speaking from their hearts. I think we owe them that 10 minutes to speak about something that matters very, very much to them. Oftentimes it's their home and I will leave it at that. . All right. Thank you. Are there any questions on this amendment at all? ? Hey, is there Cokie Go ahead, councillor Downer. My understanding is this would still maintain it just at the public meeting, not at the decision meeting that's correct. . Are there any comments at all? Answer crowd. The reason why I second it Mr Mayor is, um if a planning application is ever

appealed for whatever reason, it is those delegations and what's brought forward during the planning process that can be used as evidence, so that 10 minutes allows any delegation whether it's on a technical matter. . Uh, entering data or whether it's the the applicant themselves, presenting their their, uh, presenting their development application there. There are times when it just cannot be done within 10 minutes. So you know, I don't think it's very often that we have a slew of delegations using a full 10 minutes. There are times during a controversial application, but I think I think the 10 minutes is still worth having a fulsome discussion so that we can make an informed decision. . Okay. Thank you. Before I call the vote. I'll just give you my opinions. I disagree. I think we all agreed at the beginning of our orientation as a council that we wanted effective and efficient meetings are clerks stand by their report that they brought to us a committee that was unanimously decided upon For five minutes and are planning staff now have initiated,

um, a real drive for developers and proponents to have what's called neighborhood meetings. . Prior to the applications coming forward. That has been installed as a process that's been encouraged and is already happening. . Delegations can email all of us phone. All of us have a coffee with all of us. Write a letter into us all prior to a five minute or a 10 minute conversation at a microphone. Um, And so the other thing, too, is if we ever have questions afterwards. . Um of a delegate. Whether it's five minutes or even 10. We can ask them a lot of questions. They can stand at the microphone for an extra 15 minutes, sometimes answering questions. So, um, I'm not here to stifle people. But I am here to try to run efficient and effective meetings. And I think becoming, um and and staying on. . That course for me has been a Big theme for me, and I thought it was a big theme for us, as well as a council and staff moving forward. So I'm hoping that we can uphold that kind of theme with that this vote, so I will not be supporting that Okay, , councillor buildings and then I'll call the vote. . Um, I apologize. Mr Mayor through you. I just wanted to ask staff maybe Mr O'Brien.

Do we know whether it's surrounding municipalities or a Southern Ontario? The other municipalities for the majority? Do they just allow the five minutes have we taken have we taken a look to see what their rules are? ? Regarding the time for delegations on planning matters through you, Mr MEREDITH councillor buildings. I will say that we haven't done the full list and roster of all the cities comparatives, but, um, we did do a quick search. Um, you know, in the lead up to this report, coming to council and quite frankly, council, it's a mixed bag out there. In terms of timing of delegates. Some are five minutes for all meetings City of Hamiltons Cambridge come to mind. Some are actually 10 minutes for all aspects, , but they only Allow. You know once that committee and not at council kind of thing, some allow only a certain amount of delegates at a meeting like they capped the total number of delegates at a meeting where per item Um, I would say, generally speaking, there is a, um, a five minute sort of majority out there is what is what I would say in terms of the ones that we we did do some research on but again mixed bag councillor buildings. . Okay. And then also through you, Mr Mayor. . Uh, ,

Well, the the delegate, they would be allowed. . Under what you're recommending the five minutes at the public meeting, and then another five minutes at the decision point in time by council. Is that not correct? ? Three. Mr Mia, That's correct. It would be five minutes at all meeting and agenda items. That's that's what's being proposed currently. And then, of course, , to add on correspondence as well. . Yes, Mr Mayor. Nothing would prevent that. That's correct. . Counselor billions. . Okay. Thank you, Stephen. I thank you. So I'll call the vote. All those in favor of the amendment. Um please raise your hands. Just easier for me Industries your hand. . All right. So we got Clawson, Gahler and ALTs and two and O'Rourke and Corrine and Downer. . And Richardson and Keeton, which makes it easier for the not in favor, which would be Gibson, Billings and myself. . Okay, so that passes and that was your only amendment, , right? ? Okay over to you, Counselor. Pardon me. Sorry, Mr Mayor. Um, obviously, councillor Bruce until is connected to the meeting. I'm sorry. I just want to make sure we're able to

capture accountable. Sorry. So sorry, Counselor. Boost until can you hear me? ? Okay. . Council business Till are you still with us? You'll have to mark that as a as a no vote, , I guess. . Through you, Mr. Merrily Market the no vote. It doesn't change the outcome of that. No, , I know. . Yep. . Veto it either, Okay. Okay. Counselor work. Thank you, Marcus Tree. Um, I have to for the procedural bylaw and one for the delegation Authority. Bylaw. First One is your emotion. I'm happy to move it. It's that the procedural bylaw included his attachment one to the 2023 Governance Review dated June 6th 2023. . Be amended to add this size singing. There's type of their of all Canada silent reflection and First nations acknowledgements all meeting types happy to move it. . Um, because we had a Yep, I don't know if I have secondary. There's a second. Er great. Thank you. I appreciate you bringing it forward. I'm really pleased to move on your

behalf because we had a large joint meeting and the territorial acknowledgement was really quite, um, constituents by its absence through through no. . You know? No fault of anyone's, but it was a workshop and so we didn't tend to do the territorial acknowledgement and certainly That's um That's something that we can't really do too often, , frankly. . Thank you, Uh, any questions on that one to anybody or pretty straightforward before I call the vote councillor over councillor Richardson. . Is with US cancer boost until you're you're with us. . Yes. Yes, Sorry I spilled my TL over my desk and computer, so I had to step away. Okay, , okay. . Did you did? Did you hear the last vote? I just wanted to make sure with hybrid I want to be as Amiable as possible. Did you? Did you? Were you there for the moving of the last motion was cleaning up. Sorry. Okay. No, no problem. . No problem. . All right. It was about you paying for every lunch from here

until the end of the term. So it passed. So thank you very much. Yeah. Alright. Uh, so on this one, I'll call the vote. . Is anyone against Alright and councillor Richardson just can't can't see you on screen or you can do audio if you want. Are you against this? ? Has spilled their t That's right. Alright. I guess you'll have to count that as a no vote, , okay? ? It passes, though. Alright and your second one. Councilor O'Rourke, Thank you, Mayor Guthrie. Um, moved by me and seconded by councilor caller. . That section, 4.10 motions and order of voting. I am see be amended to include quote and that would be read aloud and quote. So the new clause reads quote when a councillor moves in motion or an amendment to a motion that is not included as part of the agenda package. That council shall provide a copy of the motion to the mayor or chair. . And that would be read aloud prior to the vote being taken. . The reason Mark Guthrie, let's see if there's a secondary councillor. Caller caller. Go ahead, So the reason I brought this and we we had discussed

this as a convention. . Ah, is that somebody who is visually impaired? Who is using a screen reader to read our agenda at home only has the staff recommendations they don't have. . Anything in order to be able to to have the amendments read to them. And so if all we do is post the amendment to the screen, someone who's following from home Is missing that piece of information because it's being presented only visually. . Thank you. So just a quick or I Okay, I'll ask a question Just after you, councillor. All your first. Thank you very much. I do support this. But I have a fairly important question. I believed, um, either for the mover or for perhaps clerks, the reading is the part that I think is most important that we sometimes come across long motions, and we also come across Ah, some motions that are very difficult to read. Whom is it that is responsible for the reading the person putting the motion or would it be staff? ?

Ah, you wanting me as the charity answer that or or the mover? ? Well, I think I think the one probably. I think it could probably be pretty easily done by either the mover Um or the chair right before the chair calls the vote and just say Okay, this is what's about to be done. . Um, but I do You kind of captured my question, Counselor. If you don't mind me jumping in Uh, two clerks. I support this as well. It's not an issue, but I just want to talk about like, logistically how this would actually work. . We sometimes come out here. . With appointments to committees that are like three or four pages long. . Are we suggesting that we We We We read like four or five pages long of things. Or is there a way in which a chair or a mover? ? Could move something that is not red. Maybe back to you. I don't know. And I every single word but is is is verbally capturing what's on the screen? I'm just trying to just trying to make sure that there's some leeway in in

your motion to allow some space. . To be You see what I'm trying to go. I'm not trying to stifle it by any means. I'm just trying to be logistical about it. So in the example of committee appointments And the clerks can help me come up with the language. Perhaps in September, when this unicorn of a procedural bylaw comes back, , Um In a case like that that amendment Isn't sort of pertinent to the debate and the discussion going back and forth, Right. So sometimes these amendments really make the meeting. . Take a turn. . So I would imagine in something like appointments. You could say and council came back and we are tabling the following appointments there on the screen and they will be published so that you really could read them later, right? But the the meeting doesn't turn on those kinds of amendments. . Whereas, um Different motions presented during a meeting could really change the flavor of the debate, and somebody who's just listening might need more than just a display on the screen. . And those don't tend to be very long. Yeah, I would agree. Uh, So what's you know my if I can

just give a comment before I call the vote, Let's give it a go. Let's like, Let's let's give it a go right. But so it's let's try. . Let's try this out. . Um, that's that's kind of my position on it before the vote. Um I think it is a good idea. . And yeah, , we'll just I actually don't think it will probably be as complicated as my question actually presented itself, but I just want to make sure that nuance was kind of known up front. But it's so rare anyways, so I get what you're getting at going. There is another part of the procedural bylaw that says as a best practice, , we will If you wanted some wiggle room, we could do that. Or we could just try it and see how that goes. I say we try. That's that's my my opinion. I mean, if we tried even a few times between now and September, we have an opportunity to say, Oh my gosh, You know something's wrong or something, but I doubt it will be so. . Okay? As they're all just call the vote on this, then is everyone good? Any questions or comments? No. . Because anyone against this one I don't hear or see here. Here, see anything. So thank you very much passes unanimously had a third. . But the third is on the delegation of authority bylaw. . Um And that is the table. Three row 1.2 of

the delegation of authority bylaw included an attachment seven to the 2023 Governance Review dated June 6th 2023 be amended to return the noted limitation to five years. . Councilor, too, has seconded that if I can just translate that for folks Um, the recommendation in the chart would allow staff delegated authority. Um, you know, as long as it's within that the capital funding the allocation, you know the procurement bylaw all that stuff, but it would allow them to enter into contracts up to 10 years. . I'm a little uncomfortable with that length and so I am recommending that we stick with the five years and that any contract, uh, that would bind the city for the provision of acquisition of goods or services, Um, stays with the five years as as was originally in the delegation of authority by law and anything Supplementary that is needed could come to Council for ratification. . Okay. Thank you. Um, I have a quick question. . But after councillor Clawson Through you, Mayor And I think just staff.

Um, how many contracts would this apply to like the 10 years contract period? And what would the administrative load look like to add in those extra renewal's I'm so through. The Americans are caught crossing the intention behind. This was not for all contracts. It's simply for those within the culture and recreation team, and they're generally the intention was for those long term leases. And so a couple of good examples Graffiti Music Center, the tennis club, they actually have 20 year leases. Now, um, that was past practice. And so the challenge and why we recommended the change from 5 to 10 years was because, um, those organizations and fairness are going to be looking, too. If you had a 20 year lease, dropping down to a five year leases now. . Overly appealing, but in order to renew at a 10 year lease as an example, that now means we're going to need to be bringing those two council so I would think it probably means once or twice a year. At worst, I would think, um, I can think of one within the next year that we would now need to bring to council where the organization was willing to renegotiate a lease with staff if they could have had 10 years, But if we're dropping it down to five years, that is no longer that that doesn't give them the stability that they need for longer term funding purposes, So it was

Not intended. It is only related to those culture and recreation contracts in fairness and conversation with councilor work. I completely understand where she's coming from, and the desire was to keep it at the five years we had we had worked through. Was there better language? We could get to tighten up what we were intending, which was that limited number of contracts. But I also completely understand where councillor work was coming from. Which was that having those small number come to council each year, , um, , likely. . I mean, I don't want to put words in that she can as the mover Um Comment further, but that there wasn't a significant enough one of them that it felt overly onerous. So I will say that was the staff recommendation that we go to 10 because we were looking to get that delegated authority where we had had it previously in a number of these leases were, they say, the two that come to mind where the two I mentioned graffiti music and the tennis club where they had 20 year leases. And so when they were up, we were just looking to be able to have the delegated authority to renegotiate them at the 10 year Mark Okay. Thank you. And then my only question is like I think, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just going to pick like the Ceiba. I think we have with the Legion. . Am I right? And that's like that's where it's

so minor, but it's like basically helping them get the Sleeman Center for every remembrance day. That's what they're C b A is, that's it? So is that something that then would have been Would have been on the five year renewal. But now it would be something that you would be like. You know what, Like this is just a one year thing to help them every November 11th you that you would move to 10 years. . So I'm just trying to just trying to show the extremes of it right. So typically are Ciba's, and we tend to do more in that. I believe in the sort of four year range in apologies, Miss Evans. Ah would be able to help better, but I'm the CBS are normally in that shorter range. I don't believe we have looked to extend any of them to 10 years because sometimes community need we're CBS change. Uh, the C B a community need may change, so we haven't done longer than four years. . But certainly having that 10 year flexibility would give us that option for something like, for example, the Legion where we're doing that annual Remembrance Day ceremony for us, it was really about those. It was about long term building leases where we have a city asset that we are leasing to community based organization, and they were looking for that stability of longer than a five year lease. We can still give them

that stability, but we'll just be coming to council. . To that. That will be an operational matter that you haven't seen before that we will be bringing to counsel. . Okay. . All right. . Thank you. . Alright. So, um, I'll call the vote on this one then so I would say anyone against please raise your hand. . Alright, so I got billings. And Um I almost called O'Brien, their buildings. Ah, Claussen and caller and myself and Downer. I think that's it. So that passes with five against Thank you. . And those are your three, , right? ? Okay? All right. And so with that I am to the comments section and my my list only had three. . So downer. . And Cayton and Karen Okay. Thank you. To you, Mr Mayor. . I think this has been a An excellent discussion tonight around the procedure bylaw and Stronger powers and Our collective Somewhat, um, caution and a little bit of

confusion about how we move forward and angst. So I think that is and it you know the communities reflecting that as well. . So I want to Thanks staff for the work they've had to do in the last little while to sort of get this together On top of all the other legislation they had to Prepare for, um and I I think you know, I really appreciate a lot of the delegations. You know they're struggling, trying to keep it towards the The strong towards the procedure. Bylaw when you know there's this overriding issue, the strong mere powers that, um, is creating anxiety around, you know, in the community around the undemocratic legislation or what? How how people are perceiving that, and the only thing I wanted to add to them is like you. . You've provided your voice here tonight. . On that publicly, but I would also really encourage the delegations that came tonight because everybody spoke, um in opposition to the stronger powers, and that's that's that needs to the province needs to hear that, And I know Mike Schreiner has MPP is has spoken out against it, but I would really encourage the delegations that came tonight and anybody else who is concerned about it. .

To actually send their delegation to the premier. I mean, there's there's a, uh you know, you can go to the their contact the premier for respondents that premier dot gov dot on dot C A and you can just cut and paste your whole delegation into that and and send it And I think I think that's important, , I think Even though some people may think like like that you can't do anything about it. I think it's important to send that message. I think, as many people as possible can can express their displeasure to the directly to the premier about this issue, and you just need to Google contact the premier and Ontario and that will come up. But I do think that's important. . And, , um That people Do that and just cutting patient delegation that this is what I delegated to City Council. I'm opposed to to this undemocratic legislation. So that's what I would encourage people to do as well as well as what you have said to us tonight. . Great. Thank you, Councilor Keeton and then Karen. . So I really wanted to thank all the delegates for coming in. And speaking to the procedure of Lila and the strong mayor Powers. I think that you,

um gave a lot of really good information. And your passion like passion was very obvious. I also wanted to thank staff for answering my many, many emails that I sent, um, above like beyond. . I'm like so many emails, So I'm glad that advisory committees are not going to be affected by this and that there is going to be an opportunity to have a conversation about the ethics and checks and balances and to have standards for future mayors who may not see the hiring and firing portions of the powers and how those will intersect with procedural bylaws in September. . And I am very completely different Note. I really appreciate how the bylaws were reconfigured with gender neutral language. . Without any requests. For me. It's the true measure of Ally ship to improve systems and language without, um it being a request. And so I It made me very, very happy amidst all the other frustrating legislation to see that, and it was very interesting. . So thank you. . Thank you, Councilor and Karen. Thank you, Mr Marijuana things I love about my word mate.

Counselor. Downer is her her optimism and her her love of calm and measured approach and her belief that the premier might actually be listening. If you received those letters. I don't have that confidence because what I hearing from and I This is not opinion. It's stated over and over again in the press. . I have a mandate. I have the authority. I can do whatever I want. Municipalities are creatures of the province. This whole issue is so much bigger than wealth. . Every Canadian should be outraged across the country about what's happening in Ontario. No other Western democracy, including the strong mayor model in the U. S has anything like this compromises, In my opinion, the neutrality and the integrity of our civil service. It's it's a threat to democracy in so many ways that are delegates so eloquently and universally Expressed here this evening. So I want to thank our delegates for for you know, being so passionate. . Democracy is eroded slowly when we know that from human history, we know that just watching what's happening to the south of us, and here we are in

the province of Ontario, and it's happening right here. This is a foundational shift in our definition of what democracy means and bells should be ringing all over the country. . Quite simply built Bill three, and Bill 39 must be overturned and we must have constitutional reform at the prevent at the federal level as well. So councillor, Downer said, Get your letters into our premier. They should also be copied to our MP because the Constitution of Canadian Constitution uh and the intergovernmental relationship between provinces and Canadian federalism, give provinces the authority to tell municipality How? When? Where, how high they will jump everything, and we saw that Supreme Court challenge with the Toronto election when the day after the nominations closed. . Ah, the premier gave cut the number of wards in the city of Toronto and that went, the provincial government upheld the city of Toronto's appeal. But it went to Supreme Court and the Supreme Court actually basically said Section. 92.8 gives provinces the right to do that,

and therefore it's not. It's It's not a constitutional violation because provinces have that authority so all levels of government at the municipal level we need to rise up. We need to work with a mo and FC M. We need to rise up as a community in 2026. . Send those letters to the province and also copy to RMP because we do need a, um, a revised relationship between all three levels of government so that we have the tools that we need. We actually were in line with provincial priorities. We we've said over the course of the last two weeks since this announcement happened that we want to build more housing. We want more empowerment. We want the resources to build the infrastructure. We we need the authority to actually be able to make housing decisions. . So this isn't just about strong mayor powers. It is much, much bigger than that. It's about a whole new deal for cities that gives us the tools that we need as civil servants and his councillors, not just as mayors to actually build cities, and we're not going to get that unless we have We have levels of reform at all three levels of government that give us those Um, those resources we need, Uh and we

all have the same goal and that's to build a great community. And if we keep focused on that, Um then I think we will have done our jobs. I thank you, councilor All I have you for final comments and thank you. Thank you were trying to all keep to the procedural bylaw. I'm going to stick to the procedure bylaw, but I will veer out of it a bit. I do want to thank staff very much for the work on the procedural bylaw. . And I also wish to thank both council and the community for the same. I think this speaks very well of our communities concerned for governance. And that's where I'm going to veer off because one of the things that struck me about this is that, uh, we would only we would have had very few, if any. Any delegates here for just a procedural bylaw had there not been a elephant in the room. Um and regrettably, the elephant is somewhat American. . This flies in the face. . The Westminster parliamentary tradition. Even Doug Ford and Pierre Trudeau do not have the authority that strong mayors are supposedly given by this in order to do what the province has told strong marriage to do. I feel sorry for strong mirrors, because honestly, Mayor Guthrie I think whether you use it or not. .

You're you're kind of advice. Um, somebody is not going to like you unless these powers are curtailed as we have tried to do, although I think we should go further in order for us to understand that we are a council. We are not an executive and a group of councillors. We've separated those powers and we've come back to a very perverse form of American Republicanism. . The president of United States does not have the power to make a law. It's bizarre and this is just insane that that we've taken from American principles of law, something that says that we as a council must overturn something that is strong Mayor has done. I wish strong mayors all the best as they grapple with this. I also wish all of Ontario the best as we grapple with this, and ultimately we returned power to counsel, not an executive of one and councillors sitting around a horse. . Issue. Okay, okay. Thank you. All right. I'm gonna call the vote. But I get to stay one statement before I call the vote, , and that is It is difficult for some people do not like me or like me. But I know that at least 72% of this place likes me called the city of Guelph. . So that's good. .

Without a call The vote is anyone against This is as amended by the way. Main motion as amended. Okay. It's unanimous. Thank you very much. The bylaws. Also as amended, that's where I was going to say. . Thank you. Um, um bylaw 2023 to 0807 2023 to 088 2023 to 0809. . With someone be willing to move those for me. Oh, it looks like it's councilor. Karen. I'm sorry I did. I miss the other already. I was so excited that tonight was my night. . The other two numbers for me to 079120805. . Sorry I missed moved them all. Mr Mayor who's gonna help me with secondary on that? ? Councilor down Perfect Anyone against those bylaws. Okay, seeing and hearing knowing that's unanimous. Thank you. . And and I have just an update. I know it was

pretty, uh, much kind of on the radar of a lot of people, especially councillor Keaton around Bill 22. I believe it was called my right councillor, , Keeton 22. . 22 22. Almost there. I know that there was maybe going to be a motion coming forward tonight around that because we didn't know if the federal government was going to be looking at helping people with what that bill entails. . But It did pass. And so that's a good thing for a lot of people. . And so, , um I'm sure we are all happy here. And and, , uh, , yeah. . Thank you for Drawing it to our attention councillor Keaton as well with Delegating at the county as well a couple weeks ago. . So thank you very much. . And with that I have no other. Announcements, so I'm going to adjournment. And of course, councillor. Billions wants to do that for us. . And our friend in a dark. Cave basement councillor Richardson is going to We hope you make it out alive is going to second that for us, and as everyone in favor of that,

I would imagine that's a yes. . No one's against. That's unanimous. Have a great